Archive for Tuesday, April 3, 2012

Basehor City Council to consider new scoreboards for sports complex

The city of Basehor's Field of Dreams athletic complex is located at 14333 Fairmount Rd.

The city of Basehor's Field of Dreams athletic complex is located at 14333 Fairmount Rd.

April 3, 2012

Area residents played and watched sports last year at a remade Field of Dreams complex in Basehor. But on about half of its fields, they still couldn’t see what the score was.

That will change this year if the City Council agrees to budget an additional $15,000 to install new scoreboards on three fields, city staff said at a council work session Monday night.

The new scoreboards would continue a makeover started when the city purchased the complex for about $400,000 in 2010. All seven scoreboards weren’t operational when the city took it over, city superintendent Gene Myracle told council members Monday, and the city replaced three of them this year.

One of the new boards would go on the complex’s largest field, where the current scoreboard was destroyed by a lightning strike, according to a report from city staff. That board is expected to cost about $8,000, and two back-to-back boards on smaller fields would cost about $6,600 total, according to the report.

Those smaller boards could be repaired, Myracle said, but it would cost nearly as much as new ones.

“Why put that much money into two 12-, 13-year-old boards when you can buy the brand new boards for a little over $1,500 more?” Myracle said.

The city’s budget already calls for about $15,000 in other improvements to the complex during 2012.

Council member Vernon J. Fields, at his first council work session, asked if the new scoreboards could wait for another year.

Mayor David Breuer, though, said he thought operational scoreboards would make a good impression on visitors.

“That’s the first thing people see when they walk in there,” Breuer said.

Since the city purchased the complex in 2010 from its financially troubled former owners, staff have renovated restrooms, concession stands and other parts of the complex. A contractor pays the city $30,000 to operate youth sports programs there, and the city receives a portion of beverage sales. Basehor residents receive a 50 percent rebate on their children’s participation fees for sports programs at the Field of Dreams.

The council likely will vote on funding for the scoreboards on April 16.

Also at Monday’s work session, the council discussed:

• A request for qualifications from potential financial advisers for the city. Staff will recommend a financial adviser to the council at the April 16 meeting.

• Preliminary and final plats for Wolf Creek Junction, the area surrounding Wolf Creek Parkway between 155th and 150th streets just north of U.S. Highway 24-40. The area must be re-platted, interim city administrator Lloyd Martley said, because the previous plat included an incorrect layout of Wolf Creek Parkway.

Zimmer Real Estate Services, working on behalf of the property’s owner, First State Bank and Trust, in January presented to the council a new plan for developing the Wolf Creek area, possibly involving office buildings and smaller businesses. The city’s new Orscheln Farm & Home store opened in the area this week.

Comments

Winston1 2 years, 8 months ago

My question to the city council is what are you spending money on scoreboards when your police officers don't get paid close to the other cities in the area. Your department has lost seven officers over the last four years. This city lost three officers within a month of each other to go work at a cosino because they paid more money, so they don't have to work two jobs to pay their bills. These officers put on a bullet proof vest and carry a gun and would give their lifes for the people of Basehor, but they have to work two jobs to pay their bills. If this council does not help these officer this city will continue to lose officer to casinos and fedex because they have to pay their bills.

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johninbasehor 2 years, 8 months ago

I agree with Winston 1. When the previous city council started making the police officers pay for part of their family insurance, this was a big cut in their take home pay. They didn't make much to start with, and with benefit cuts, It is not good when your police make such little money risking their very lives, to get a raise and benefits, they need to go work for the local casino.

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StandforSomething 2 years, 8 months ago

Have been wondering why the chief of police is working off-duty at extra events, apparently taking it away from his own lesser-paid officers. It is obvious where the chief’s loyalties lie, and it does not appear to be to the city, his officers, or the people of Basehor. His TRIPPLE-DIPPING as chief, city administrator, and off-duty extra pay would explain why there is no hurry to get an honest and qualified person to start running the city administrator’s job. Duh…

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johninbasehor 2 years, 8 months ago

Why are some of these posters repeatedly after the chief's job? Personally, I think the chief has done an admirable job not only as chief of police, but stepping in at the request of the previous city council to take on the added responsibility of acting city administrator. This gentleman is, after all, the chief of police, and maybe since he is first in line in the department, maybe he wants some extra money himself. Quit bashing the chief and lets move on. As far as a new city administrator, who would want the job, with a certain group of people knit picking everything you do, and trying to put an ulterior spin on every decision that is made, all the while not even wanting to pay health insurance for your employees family.

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

Who said anything about being "after the chief's job?" Paranoia. Diversionary.

Before we talk about more money for officers, or talk about moving on, how about solving the other police department issues that have already been brought up and ignored? Agreed, there's a lot of officers leaving, or forced to leave.

It has already been established in recent weeks that there are problems that are not being brought up by the current Council (as yet), and were even possibly hidden from the previous Council. You can pay good officers to come in that are willing to serve the City, but if you’ve got unprofessional or abusive leadership, those officers are not going to be allowed to stay. What the department could be left with are the officers that are willing to put up with anything to save their jobs.

The Tim Fields expert "Bully in Sight" gives evidence that the high turn-over is symptomatic of systemic corruption. If you do not assimilate into the corruption, you are targeted for elimination and bullied out of your job. If you’re an honorable person, there is no way to “go with the flow,” or to “go along to get along." It is discrimination based on the good/honest/wise person's competence because of their fear of being exposed for their incompetence.

From what my family has read at this weblink http://www.cityofbasehor.info/Files.php, most city officials would not even tolerate such inappropriate behaviors. Has a lot of actual documentation which makes it easy for anybody to follow whatever issues might interest them.

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

Opps! The Basehor Sentinel censored the website >> http://www.cityofbasehor.info/Files.php

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johninbasehor 2 years, 8 months ago

Standforsomething said: " It is obvious where the chief’s loyalties lie, and it does not appear to be to the city, his officers, or the people of Basehor."

If that doesn't sound like being after the chief's job, please explain what you mean?

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Winston1 2 years, 8 months ago

The chief has done nothing but good for this department. He has taken on other jobs given to him by the city with no complaints. He is there for his officers no matter what problems they are having. He strives to make this department better everyday. The problem is the citizens of Basehor only care about the officers when they need to call them, but any other time they could care less. These officers are what keeps the citizens safe and what keeps this community the way it is "safe and a quite place to live and raise a family" For what these officer give to this city it is time that the city gives back to them for once. I call on every person in the city of Basehor to contact the mayor and tell him that our offices deserve to be paid at a rate that they to can support their families and be at home on their time off instead of working second jobs to support their families and pay the bills. I know that the people of Basehor will not follow through with this because " hey who cares those officers chose that job" But those officers kiss their kids and wife goodbye everyday they leave for work because they know that might be the day they loose their life for the citizens of Basehor!!!

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

“The chief has done nothing but good for this department…” -- 'this department' ?? -- The abused always defend their abusers – sometimes called the “Battered Wife Syndrome." ”
But back to the above complaint of the officers should be getting a pay raise instead of spending it on a sports scoreboard >> How does the chief even have time to take extra off-duty hours when he’s already got 2 jobs? His salary as Chief is $69,000+, and we are left to assume he’s getting paid the average salary of a Basehor city administrator which seems to be anywhere between $80,000 and $90,000, for a total of $150,000+ or $160,000+.

The complaint that the officers need more money is legit. The complaint that the officers should not have to pay for any family insurance is not reality with today’s economy. Instead of letting the officers take the extra off-duty hours, as opposed to taking on another job at the casino or fedex, etc., then the Chief takes on 3 jobs, literally taking the food out of his officers’ mouths, but then when this is pointed out as an option to solve the issue, he’s quickly defended as being a great guy.

That’s called a repeated circular-argument, using nonsensical and contradictory arguments, instead of sticking to the facts. Following that same logic, then why not fire everybody down at City Hall, and let the Chief do all the jobs – he could have that $1.4 million all to himself if he’s so “awesome.”

“…citizens of Basehor only care about the officers when they need to call them, but any other time they could care less…” That’s why we’ve been donating our 2 cents worth on this forum, because we DO care about our officers, and on this forum, we’re finally getting a voice. Maybe nobody’s listening to our side of it, because it appears that if you don’t “toe the line” with the anointed ones, you either get labeled as a “tin foil hat,” or you must endure their retaliation, but at least we’ve got a temporary place to voice our opinion.

Look, bottom line, too many facts being ignored here, while defending the indefensible. Too many people are not serving for the greater good of Basehor, only for their own personal gain. If you're going to call the mayor, tell him to stop the "sucking sound" of parasites feeding off of Basehor's tax dollars, and get it resolved the right way--get rid of the parasites, and then there will be more money to work with for the good/honest/wise employees that are left.

When somebody finally gets the opportunity to speak up against illegal behaviors on a public forum (since they totally get ignored, or get fired, if they take it to the city administration), then the defenders of the corrupt system label them with name-calling, and then tell them to either love the corruption or leave town or shut up. And then we’re back to square one, aren’t we, with no solutions.

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ProudOfOurCity 2 years, 8 months ago

LR you just continue to bloviate and shoot your big mouth off about things you know nothing about. Seriously? Do you really believe the Chief of Police is making 160,000 a year????? Quit making up stories and tell the truth!
People of Basehor: Do yourself a favor and call City Hall and ask questions. LR would not know the truth if it bit him.

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erik 2 years, 8 months ago

Again, you all have no clue what's going on in that department. Such entertainment from the opinions you all have. What's funny is you all make such statements as if it is a fact. Guess if you haven't worked there, you can't complain about it. Former officer's are more than willing to tell you the reasons they left. You all really need to get your FACTS straight.

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

“…Guess if you haven't worked there, you can't complain about it. Former officers are more than willing to tell you the reasons they left…”

Erik, how long did you work for the police department, and did you have any problems with the same superiors (Chief Martley, Lt. Pierce, etc.), that is listed in the Notice of Claims by the other officer? Are you willing to put yourself out there like the other officer has done, in order to get the truth and facts out there for the voting public to know about, or are you one of those who only likes to complain a lot in secrecy, but do nothing about it?

All we’ve seen so far is when an officer, or anybody else for that matter, tries to speak-up, they get terminated or forced into quitting. We would be interested in any more info you can provide us on this forum, or even better yet, if you really know as much as you are making it sound like you know, protect yourself by calling the other officer’s attorney and share what you know with her.

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erik 2 years, 8 months ago

I was there for 5 years, never had a problem with them. Everyone complains about a job or something that someone has done. Work is like a second home, you spend enough hours with someone and you're bound to have disagreements or arguments over something. I learned a lot from that department. If there was a debate, we would figure it out. One way or another, you got the job done. I didn't leave because of the Chief, Lt., or anyone in the department. If the city would try to take care of the employees a little better, like they promised when I first started, I would still be there to this day. I miss working in that town, but I was also tired of working a full time job, part-time job, and 2 seasonal jobs, a year. As for Chief working off duty, think about this-- The coverage of officers on duty at the time, who needs to go home and sleep before their next shift, and who is available to work off duty. When the school ask for a certain amount of personnel to step up and work, Chief covered what was extra and available, or what some officers couldn't sign up for. So I say again, if you don't/haven't worked there, don't complain about it. Everyone reads half a story or COMPLAINT and jumps to their conclusion of the truth. I think Martley is doing a wonderful job in that town compared to other cities that have some major issues to deal with. Instead of trying to tear down the Chief, try building up a faculty without a turnover rate of every 3 years or so. Try seeing what it takes to keep good employees around. If you all can do that and still have these same issues, then hop online and complain away.

So I don't have to continue a novel, if anyone absolutely has to know why I left, I'd be more than happy to share.

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basehordream 2 years, 8 months ago

erik, your facebook wall covers it...""i'm anti-bleachers and anti-basehor" you are better off where you are.. no explanation needed

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

"...If the city would try to take care of the employees a little better, like they promised when I first started,..." and "...Try seeing what it takes to keep good employees around..." Yes, those are the 2 main goals here for all of them down at City Hall. Couldn't agree with you more. Thanks.

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erik 2 years, 8 months ago

Well attacking the Chief is the wrong way to go. Trust me, that town is lucky to have him there.

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

Erik, have you read the Notice of Claims from the former officer that was fired? If yes, is there any truth at all what’s in the Notice of Claims? Do you think this officer is making this stuff up?

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erik 2 years, 8 months ago

Until it's all said and done I won't comment due to the fact that since I worked with the officer, I may get dragged in this somehow.

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

You dragged yourself into this the first time you posted. Sounds like you're being coached to do damage control, to keep the status-quo illusions going, and nothing more. "Basehordreams" mentioned you and officer Jennifer had to quit the PD for something you did together, so if you're not willing to talk after you started posting, then what's your point? Not sure your take on anything can be taken seriously anyway, or even be believed as truth. Sorry, thought you were on the side of getting rid of the corruption.

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johninbasehor 2 years, 8 months ago

LR said: ""Basehordreams" mentioned you and officer Jennifer had to quit the PD for something you did together." Didn't they both fill out applications for employment at establishments that paid better and had better benefits than the city of Basehor? Really, other that someone that is nothing but a nosey busybody, who really cares what they did, and what business does any of that have being posted on the Sentinel web site?

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johninbasehor 2 years, 8 months ago

LR said: ""Basehordreams" mentioned you and officer Jennifer had to quit the PD for something you did together." Didn't they both fill out applications for employment at establishments that paid better and had better benefits than the city of Basehor? Really, other that someone that is nothing but a nosey busybody, who really cares what they did, and what business does any of that have being posted on the Sentinel web site?

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

Since the sentences within the "erick" posts above all contradicted each other, even within the same sentences at times, just wanted to be pointing out that his credibility kept going down with each posting. "basehordreams" references to their employment issues merely added to the lack of credibility.

Look, long story short, Chief Martley should've arrested Loughry and Hill for grand theft -- how many people have promised raises when they have left a job for one reason or another (moving out of town, seeking another job, etc.), but they certainly do not change their legal contract at the new job after it's gone through the whole process, been approved, signed by BOTH sides, and delivered, by then adding notes in the margin of what is claimed that the prior employment had allegedly promised them, and then to add insult to injury, not even tell the city council, and the mayor signs off on the changed amount of the legal contract, and then they both act "hurt" that somebody stood up to them and said "No"

If it was legit, all Loughry/Hill had to do was go back and follow the same legal procedures with the city council again to have the city council change it, OR if Loughry/Hill did not agree with the final contract offer, he did not have to sign it. Nobody was holding a gun to his head to sign the legal contract that had already gone through the whole process. There are legal ways to deal with disagreements, not commit grand theft, and get all your friends to defend your actions for you.

The loyalty of thieves does not apply to wage increases behind the backs of those who legally already went through the entire negotiation process prior to Loughry signing the contract. The "victimhood" of the city paying for a new sports scoreboard instead of the officers getting a raise is diversionary until the crimes committed at city hall are answered for. Focus.

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johninbasehor 2 years, 8 months ago

LR said: "Since the sentences within the "erick" posts above all contradicted each other, even within the same sentences at times, just wanted to be pointing out that his credibility kept going down with each posting. "basehordreams" references to their employment issues merely added to the lack of credibility."

LR, the only people that have no credibility here are you and basehordream, with all your blithering against the chief and ex-city officials. As far as the Hill/Loughry situation, the authorities will do what is right in this case, and as we all expect, that will be nothing. As for the law suit with Loughry, that will play out in the courts, and since the ex-city council members decided to fire Loughry and violate his employment contract against the advice of their own city attorney, they have gone outside the protections of state law and should pay for the law suit entirely with their own personal funds. Your persuit of the chiefs job is beating a dead horse. Why don't you and basehordream both take up fishing or basket weaving to occupy your time.

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

Guess you're saying too much truth keeps hitting a nerve, or maybe you're trying to let us know that you've got a judge paid off some where who's part of your "tribe." Whatever.

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ProudOfOurCity 2 years, 8 months ago

No LR what they are saying is people are tired of listening to you. The only thing that is hitting a nerve is the fact that you just lie and lie continually. You think that if you throw enough mud (lies) at the wall eventually some of it will stick. You are pathetic!

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MzR 2 years, 8 months ago

don't you guys ever get tired of using the "big lie" technique? you guys think you're the only ones who live in Basehor? just throw labels, no substance or truth, but quick to accuse others of what you're doing. again. news flash, there are more "tribes" living in Basehor than just yours and the other one you keep referring to out of anger (but maybe it's out of fear of them?) scheeez, your example is why us "silent majority" are waking up to what's going on and trying to have a voice that you deny anywhere else.

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ProudOfOurCity 2 years, 8 months ago

Focus on this LR, you are nuttier than a fruitcake. Do you ever shut up? You are the most bloviating person on earth!

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MzR 2 years, 8 months ago

see??? you're doing the same thing i just posted above. awwwwww, tsk tsk... and you've got somebody holding a gun to your head, forcing you to read/"listen" to the postings. why would that be? who hates you enough to make you do that?

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erik 2 years, 8 months ago

I left because I seen how the city was falling before it did. About the time they wanted to start taking from the employees rather than giving, it was time for me to move on. As for the Jen and I thing, that's still the funniest allegation I've heard out of that town yet. You really need to find something better to yap about. There was only one officer that ever believed that was going on, so it basically shows why you bring up the so called officers treated badly. I could care less about the damage control. I don't work there anymore on my terms. Was never asked to quit. Actually was asked to stay. Like I said before, if you want to know the reasons I left, be more than happy to tell anyone. So man up and say who you are, and we can sit down and have a lovely visit about what goes on in the PD.

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

Since Loughry/Hill violated the legal contract first by adding a non-approved amount and trying to hide it from the city council, then how is it that their supporters all throw darts at the former city council for doing their job in negating their illegal changes and then following the criminal laws by firing him for doing it? They could have, and should have, had them arrested.

As far as "bring up the so-called officers treated badly..." -- isn't that the whole message that was started in this thread and the other threads? Nobody cares who sleeps with who, but if "basehordream" thinks there was more to it than that, and apparently thinks it affected the job performance somehow for the two of you, and former officer Jen called the city paper and had her post and "basehordream" posts removed, then it must've hit a nerve.

If you know something the voting public needs to know, then you're the one(s) who needs to "man up" to inform all of us, and quit with the games of covering up and throwing darts. It's time to grab the bull by the tail (where all this is coming from, not the horns) and face the situation out in the open. Abuse thrives in secrecy and darkness.

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erik 2 years, 8 months ago

I mean treated badly through the city government, not the management. You can't take things away from your employees and expect them all to stay. Not a complicating issue to figure out. It was a political power struggle with the council and was going to make everyone that worked there miserable. I'm glad the voters helped the city for once in the last election.

(But back to the issue of the PD) you are missing out on the point there is nothing to hide. Since my polygraph with the new job says that I passed, thats all the evidence I need that nothing happened between Jen and I. Plus I have nothing to hide about the PD. It was a great and fun place to work. Just cause one former officer files a complaint against the place doesn't mean we all have to jump on the bandwagon and do it too. That's seems to be the point you just aren't able to grasp. I have no reason to contact an attorney to defend myself against the PD. I left to go to work for the state. It's new, something different, pays more, better benefits, and my jurisdiction stretches across the state now. Why would I stay when the formal council wanted to cut all the things I gained? Instead of saying people are leaving because of corruption within the station, just ask em' why they left. I guess it just bothers you that I(we) don't have a beef with the PD. If you just want to hide behind this forum under "LR", then have at it. I showed up, under my own name, to defend myself to the public that reads this. I don't need any false accusations against me, trying to ruin my name just cause i left. And I sure don't need an attorney to do it for me either. So I did "man up"! Out here with my name for you to read. Don't like my answers, then tough.

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johninbasehor 2 years, 8 months ago

Good luck Erik, I for one am sorry to see you go, but you must do what is best for you and your situation. When the former city council started cutting the benefits of its employees, I saw trouble coming. Some of those older folks on that council certainly had sticker shock when they saw the cost of things, but as long as some employers put their money where their mouths are in paying for quality employees, the cream will rise to the top and take those jobs, leaving what is left to the lower paying jobs. The old adage, you get what you pay for. Now is the time to re-evaluate the pay on jobs that the employees risk their lives for the citizens and really pay what they are worth.

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erik 2 years, 8 months ago

Well said, and thank you. I hope the best for that town the officers that are still there, and new ones that are joining. I left on good terms, maybe one day if they get their act together, I may look at a return to the PD.

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erik 2 years, 8 months ago

"they" being the city government

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ProudOfOurCity 2 years, 8 months ago

The only reason that Mr. Washington and his puppets are going after the Police Chief is because the Police Chief almost ejected him from a city council meeting for being extremely out of order. I know that he will tell you that he received a standing ovation for his bloviating performance. But believe me, I was there and the majority of the people there were looking at each other saying "Who in the world is this nutcase?" It would have been comical if it hadn't been so pathetic to watch someone make a complete fool of themselves. The only people clapping were his relative and the group in the backrow, Larry, Moe and Curly. If you are reading or hearing something negative or hateful about city leaders or employees or any business leaders you can rest assure that Mr. Washington and his cronies are involved. He has a personal vendetta that he is working on and it will always mean the taxpayers will pay for his ignorance.

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

FYI: Have been doing our research, thanks to the web link that was given here on the forum plus the KCTV-5 website. Remember, already said never met the guy you keep referring to, Mr. Washington. Guess we’re to assume, from what you’re saying, that he’s the gentleman who was yelling on the KCTV-5’s web coverage of the council meeting? Unfortunately, could not hear if we agreed or disagreed with what was said because of the yelling. LOL!

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

Already said didn't care who sleeps, or doesn't sleep, with whom. My grandmotherly morals don't agree with today’s society, but since it was "boots" who brought it up, and "basehordreams" who brought it up, with both comments suddenly disappearing, and now you're bringing it up with a reference to a polygraph, then there must be more to the story than the public knows about that seems to add to the mysteries down at the PD and the rest of City Hall.

At least you appear to be more civil here than others have been, and do appreciate that since it allows for more discussion. Erik, our family’s concerns here are for the safety of the town, not with who you may, or may not, have slept with (unless it caused an illegal act of some kind that affects Basehor).

Since it's not listed in the Notice of Claims, and based on what's been read so far, are we to assume that the officer you must be alluding to falsely accusing you is possibly this "basehordreams" person who brought all this out and to the forefront about it being tied to “boots” job (aka former officer Jennifer) and your job (Erick). Unless it affects the city’s money or your job performance, don’t see how this is a hot-button topic for anybody.

It seems like we’re getting away from the real concerns as well as the rest of the public’s concerns regarding that the officer was terminated and the fact that we have a right to feel that everyone from the police chief down to the patrol officer will protect and serve our town. That’s what’s written on the side of most police cars and could probably be in some kind of oath the officers take.

It doesn’t really matter if this “basehordreams” person is the former officer you keep referring to, or not, but how do you know this person falsely accused you? Did he confront both of you to your faces about it, did he give some kind of threat or something, did he report it and that’s why there was a reference to it having to do with your jobs, what? Appreciate your willingness to help the public understand more about what’s going on.

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

Agree! So why does it keep being brought up?

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johninbasehor 2 years, 8 months ago

LR, you are the one that keeps bringing it up.

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

Go back and re-read. "boots" brought it up on March 19 article, with much hostility and throwing around some kind of accusations, and "basehordreams" replied to her post, implying her wild accusations were baseless by asking her a confrontational question about it. For some reason "they" ("boots" et.al.) keep implying it's justification for ignoring the serious charges in the Notice of Claims, and since "they" keep bringing it up, then we residents want to know why.

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erik 2 years, 8 months ago

1st- I have no clue how it ever referenced our jobs. I'm just now hearing this from this post alone. 2nd- still never happened. 3rd- I believe the city government had heard these claims far before I ever did.

And I safely, without any concern of my job in danger, worked for almost another year after this accusation came up. That's why its a notice of CLAIMS. I gave the facts from my 5 years there. I gave you what I know. That's all I can give... anything else I would say is just hearsay. The best anyone can do is just sit back and wait for further reporting on what's taking place with that case. It's all I can do too.

I'm just saying that "I" had no problem with the Chief or rest of the staff there. As for insight of what's going on, I couldn't tell ya. If I wasn't involved then I don't know. It's not a cover up or battered wife sydrome, it's simply a fact of I don't know.

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basehorgal 2 years, 8 months ago

I hope the kids get the new scoreboards! Yes folks, the article is about scoreboards for our children!! LR and Erik, nobody wants to know who slept with who. Anyways, please folks let's try to get the kids some nice fields and equipment to play on! It is very hard to see the score on those tiny scoreboards! Let's get them something we can all be proud of! Then go support the kids and have fun at our newly aquired complex! Excellent job by the way on the purchase of the complex. I dont mind paying to park when the money goes right back to my own city. P.S. Erik you sound a lot like Mertz in his older posts trying to meet up with people instead of having rational discussions on the forum "we can sit down and have a lovely visit". If my memory serves me right from my previous court appearance (I was late for work and speeding... oops :)) you very much resemble Mr. Mertz. Any relation? I know random, but I was curious.

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

Ditto. Some places get the whole town involved in a "fun"-draiser that raises enough money to either pay part, or all, of the expenses to purchase items like this.

Hopefully Matt Erickson can start a series of street interviews, and other creative methods, to allow the public's voice to be heard about the unresolved city issues over the deafening roar of those trying to drown them out. That way it can be contained in a more centralized, appropriate, easy-to-find and on-going article until it's truly resolved, not just because the City tells us it's resolved by ignoring/hiding the issues, or saying they're tired of it lasting 6 months. Well, a dissatisfied public after 6 months means it's not resolved the right way as yet. Simple as that.

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

Some towns also have multiple businesses either donate money to match what's raised, or donate their products for raffling, etc.

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StandforSomething 2 years, 8 months ago

In the Kansas State Constitution, provisions are made that protect the citizen's right to live under a government that contains all of the duly constituted "separation of powers" features. These features are lacking in Basehor's municipal government at the current time. And this has been going on for years. The parasites of City Hall are constitutionally illiterate and willfully corrupt. You have a Chief of Police who is also the Acting City Administrator. The Executive, the Legislative, and the Judicial all seem to encroach on each other and perform the functions that do not belong exclusively to themselves.

There needs to be a public forum provided by this newspaper that addresses this issue specifically, to remedy this sorry situation.

It is pathetic that people have to resort to using the comment section of an article that was written about providing a scoreboard for the recreational facility and it ends up becoming a forum that is being used to discuss the "Boss Hogg Syndrome" with which the city government seems to be so afflicted with.

The problem is not having enough money. The real problem is not having enough integrity. City Hall doesn't have a revenue problem; they have a spending problem. We need a forum that addresses this very topic and discuss it until these parasites decide to knock it off and get somebody in there that is willing to be controlled by the constitutional restraints that should always have been in place from the very beginning.

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Thinkaboutit 2 years, 8 months ago

Go to a council meeting! You don't need a forum. Council meetings are open to the public!

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ProudOfOurCity 2 years, 8 months ago

OH LORD! You must be related to LR or Mr. Washington. Give it a rest!

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MzR 2 years, 8 months ago

LOL! LOL! LOL! Trying to "compartmentalize" truth seekers never works. Can't handle the "silent majority" out here who's finally had enough and speaking out, can ya? LOL!

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MzR 2 years, 8 months ago

Never thought about it before, but "Boss Hogg Syndrome" and "parasites" do provide a name for what's going on down at City Hall.

TOTALLY agree that the Sentinel needs to be providing more coverage, and make sure it's for both sides. Matt Erickson's article covering the interviews about the recall election was really good in showing how it all got started as one example of great coverage. He covered both sides about how people on the street, exiting the voting booth, said they were confused with the conflicting petitions and just decided to vote everybody out, and then they were recognizing that they'd been played and were questioning their vote.

Too bad that article's powerful on-going storyline (reasons for firing city administrator by city council, petition to recall his partner-in-crime since he was an elected official, opposition to the firing and recall starts their own petition against city council members who did the firing) had not come out earlier so the public could've understood how it all had started. We all would have been better informed voters for the recall election, maybe even coming up with other options priot to it.

We certainly have heard plenty in the Sentinel about what led up to the recall, but nothing about any of those legal documents that just surfaced last month before the recall. Shouldn't matter how or who exposed them. They all appear to be legally recording the actual events that led up to the recall, as well as provide more about other events such as the fired officer's November 2011 plea for justice and about the fired city administrator's January 2012 plea to believe his victimhood. Original "justification" for opposing the 3 city council who fired the guy was that they talked outside a closed meeting. Erickson covered that by asking them if they'd talked outside a closed meeting, printed their denials, but what about digging for more proof as to which side is giving truth? Now "justification" for wanting the 3 city council out of office is that they "broke the contract" and "didn't follow the current city attorney's counsel to not fire him."

So which is it? They talked outside a closed meeting, or they (allegedly) didn't follow legal counsel to not break a contract? Former city attorney provided copies of his investigations and counsel, but we don't see any proof that the current city attorney gave the alleged counsel, let alone proof that it contradicted what the former city attorney had on his researched counsel.

Been plenty about the fired city administrator, both verbal and written, and plenty about his supporters defending his illegally breaking his own contract and making it null and void long before the city council even knew anything about it. When do we get the same unbiased, transparency coverage about all those legal papers posted on a website the opposition-to-truth appears to keep ignoring/discrediting? The Sentinel doesn't do "double-standard" reporting, do they?

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StandforSomething 2 years, 8 months ago

To: "Oh Lord! You must be related to LR or Mr. Washington. Give it a rest!" I respond: "keep throwing those sticks and stones." You must be related to Attila the Hun, Adolf Hitler, Che Guevarra, Pol Pot, and Idi Amin Dada, et al if you are defending what goes on down there at City Hall. It requires an IQ of more than 25 to respond to the arguments presented here, but it requires zero intelligence to attack the messenger. I defy any of you to address the actual arguments that have been presented against the corruption that is known to be occurring at City Hall. You can smell the stench of it four counties away. And those of you who work there can't smell it? I will answer for you. Those who accuse ordinary citizens of wrongdoing when they speak out against this kind of thuggery do it because "they" are the spawn of delusional authoritarians whom they prefer to unquestioningly serve in the capacity of water boys. These parasites cloak themselves with a pseudo mantle of respectability by masquerading as "public servants" and they take pleasure in wearing uniforms and shiny badges and they also like to list worthless titles after their names, and fancy job descriptions, but inwardly they are ambitious and aspiring ladder climbers who will do anything to cover up and apologize for the extra-large tapeworms that they work for every day. They are extremely willing to obey illegal and unconstitutional orders from "higher-ups" in order to get ahead in the system.

Police officers swear an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. How many of them actually do it? They seem to do very well when it comes to defending their fellow parasites and tapeworms. I saw a headline on the Drudge Report today that states that: "Cop killings rise 75% since 2009..." This is a no-brainer: People are not fond of police states and dictatorships. No dissent is allowed in Fascist America. And yet, ironically, an increasing number of "police officers" are leaving it, in coffins. As for the rest of the police officers, the most life-threatening thing that you do on a daily basis consists mostly of eating donuts, which contain large quantities of high fructose corn syrup, sugar, aspartame and MSG [monosodium glutamate], all of which are known neurotoxins. Since most of you cannot write a logically structured sentence and punctuate it properly, it must be affecting your IQs. Conclusion: you elitists are not as elite as you fancy yourselves to be. Can you even spell the word "incompetent?" In the private sector you could never get a real job because you don't produce anything of value. You however, are a legend in your own mind. I sincerely hope you keep believing your own press releases. That is the very thing that resulted in the demise of every dictator who finally met their "Waterloo."
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MzR 2 years, 8 months ago

Okay, you just heard more from the "silent majority." Yeah, we're fed up with the attitude.

Back to main points>> 1.) Is the Sentinel going to do some real investigative journalism and also provide a place for all of us to voice ourselves without sabotaging unrelated articles? 2.) Is the new city council and mayor going to keep ignoring what's so obviously blatant, or are they working on solutions that will address what's been covered in the above posts?

And, when do we the "silent majority" public get to hear the answers to these questions?

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

Ok, more from the “most bloviating on earth” and “nuttier than a fruitcake” – LOL!

To have the Chief and the Lt. giving no-win, unlawful orders means they didn’t start that kind of behavior in Basehor alone. It usually means they’ve done other things along the way, and have got so used to getting away with it, doing illegal actions comes easy and thought of as the "norm" by them. Googled their names to see if either had anything in their past that would validate that there’s been a long-term problem – Found this so far -- >

"Police officer reinstated," Topeka Capital-Journal, July 30, 2007 http://cjonline.com/stories/073007/kan_187840111.shtml

It appears that the Lt. worked at the Edwardsville, Ks. PD, got caught by their computer audit software viewing porn online multiple times in 2005, during company time on their computers, got fired, hired by Basehor PD, went into arbitration with his lawsuit, was declared by the arbitrator’s report, “…that while Pierce violated the policy, his transgression didn't reach the level of requiring his firing...(because) "...the images Pierce viewed (were) as 'soft porn at best'…” and recommended to the Edwardsville PD that Pierce “…should be reinstated as soon as possible and be paid back-pay and benefits, adjusted for pay received while at Basehor.” The Lt. was reinstated by the City of Edwardsville as recommended, and later returned to the Basehor PD. (The Edwardsville computer audit software did not make any distinction between hard or soft porn, it was programmed by the State of Kansas to detect porn, period.)

Question: If somebody who has actually done something wrong, got fired, sued their employer for getting fired, wins his job back with a clear record and full status (which is the same scenario Loughry is trying to do, after doing something wrong), exactly how is it that the HR Clerk, 3 former Police Officers, and the former Police Chief, plus many other innocent people, who did nothing wrong, got fired (or forced to quit), were denied a hearing and an appeal, and when one of them tries to file charges and later notifies of a claim to sue in order to receive justice and a clear record, repeat—did nothing wrong—the “acting” city administrator and Lt. continue the game of denial by ignoring his claim and even hiding it from the city council for 4 months?

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basehorgal 2 years, 8 months ago

Sooooo.. any word on the scoreboard? A lot of you people are blood thirsty and hatefilled people. The article is about SCOREBOARDS FOR CHLDREN!!!!! Your comments are about porn, physical romances, and termination!

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MzR 2 years, 8 months ago

Exactly. Still waiting for answers to the below:

Back to main points>> 1.) Is the Sentinel going to do some real investigative journalism and also provide a place for all of us to voice ourselves without sabotaging unrelated articles? 2.) Is the new city council and mayor going to keep ignoring what's so obviously blatant, or are they working on solutions that will address what's been covered in the above posts?

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MzR 2 years, 8 months ago

"Thinkaboutit (anonymous) replies… "Go to a council meeting! You don't need a forum. Council meetings are open to the public!"

If only 10% of what's been covered here and elsewhere is true, but keeps getting ignored, nobody really wants to expose themselves or their families to the same potential harassment/abuse from the PD or acting city administrator that's been displayed by them and their supporters.

“basehorgal” -- Please understand that what’s on here has concerned a lot of people we know, as well as us, for a long time. Agree with you about the scoreboard topic, or lack thereof, and agree with the above "LR" suggested ideas to get it going.

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Thinkaboutit 2 years, 8 months ago

So you want stuff to change but you don't wanna do anything about it other than anonymous posts. I'm not saying you are right or wrong. Your opinion is your opinion. I personally don't have a problem with the current government or PD. I had issues with the old council so I did something. I signed a petition and voted! I didn't just sit and comment on a scoeboard article under a fake name. If you want a forum to post on.. Create one! If you want your voice heard go to a council meeting! Several people voice their opinions at council meetings in a calm manner and they face zero consiquences. I'd be willing to bet you won't be hurt if you do the same! If you wanna just sit and complain and get nothing done... Well just keep on doing what you're doing. But please stop spreading hate and anger on an article devoted to helping the city and young children play sports and be active!

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

"Thinkaboutit -- ...I didn't just sit and comment on a scoeboard article under a fake name...stop spreading hate and anger on an article devoted to helping the city and young children play sports and be active!" LOL. :-)))

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ProudOfOurCity 2 years, 8 months ago

I have a great idea. Let's all sign our real name to our postings. That will definitely cut down on some of the garbage being said. Thinkaboutit is absolutely right. This article is about the scoreboard and the kids. The other items being argued about will never be resolved until people step up and work together like equal members. I don't see that happening anytime soon. What a shame.

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MzR 2 years, 8 months ago

And the first two people to sign in with their real names will be..."thinkaboutit" and "proudofourcity".... ;-)))

However, "proudofourcity" has finally said something that we all can agree on:
"The other items being argued about will never be resolved until people step up and work together like equal members. I don't see that happening anytime soon. What a shame."

Some of us "silent majority" (not the yelling ones) have stepped up and still got shot down. So the key words to focus on are "work together" and "like equal members," not as tribes full of hate, but as "equals," and really "working together," not name-calling, bullying, mocking, turning a deaf ear, etc.

Way to go "proudofourcity," you hit the nail on the head again when you say you don't see that "working together" and "like equal members" happening anytime soon (but we all could start over and do it better if anybody's interested). And we agree a 3rd time with you that it's a shame.

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ProudOfOurCity 2 years, 8 months ago

Ok now LR and MzR: put your money where your mouth is.....................your real name? I bet you are not going to tell us.

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ProudOfOurCity 2 years, 8 months ago

LR & Basehordream: I think Jimmy and Dennis, etc. have totally lost their marbles. Please get into the hot air balloon and leave OZ and please don't come back.

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

And you're supposed to be the wizard behind the closed curtain, giving out orders as usual? :-)))

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ProudOfOurCity 2 years, 8 months ago

No, Jimmy is the wizard behind the closed curtain stirring up lies and hatred. He does give out orders to his cronies or puppets though. He definitely is full of enough hot air to float his balloon far far away. Please!!!

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

Seems as though this "Jimmy" guy is given way too much credit since he hasn't posted here even once. Instead of sharing ideas back and forth/give and take on how to solve the problems the way mature, sane, logical, reality-based, principled adults do, the only other postings besides those with questions and ideas have been those who defend the corruption and those who want to find out the identities of those who oppose their corrupt system, just like back in junior high days. The human comedy continues (sigh).

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LR 2 years, 7 months ago

LR(anonymous) says…

Here's a proposed plan on moving the city forward with professionalism--Getting an unbiased, objective, third-party Interim City Administrator for Basehor City--it's normal to do this, as one can see below:

http://www.pratttribune.com/news/x140... http://www.gardneredge.com/news/2011/... http://www.grainvalleypointe.com/2011... http://signal.baldwincity.com/news/20... http://gardnernews.com/our-view-press...

April 25, 2012 at 10:41 p.m.

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