Archive for Thursday, April 12, 2012

Basehor City Council meeting agenda: April 16

Basehor City Hall is at 2620 N. 155th St.

Basehor City Hall is at 2620 N. 155th St.

April 12, 2012

The Basehor City Council has a regular meeting at 7 p.m. on the third Monday of each month.

Agenda for the April 16 meeting:

Appointments

  • Mayoral appointment of two City Council members
  • Swearing-in of two City Council members

Consent agenda

  • Approve March 19 minutes
  • Approve treasurer's report
  • Ordinance No. 608 — code of procedure
  • Ordinance No. 609 — establishing meeting time
  • Approve $15,000 Special Park Fund budget authority increase
  • Short-term conditional special use permit — petting zoo
  • Resolution No. 2012-02 — KDOT agreement No. 255-11

New business

  • Selection of financial advisor
  • Consider Ordinance No. 610 — preliminary plat for Wolf Creek Junction third plat
  • Consider Ordinance No. 611 — final plat for Wolf Creek Junction third plat
  • Establish date for City Council retreat

A full agenda packet with more information is available at cityofbasehor.org.

Comments

LR 2 years, 8 months ago

And you don't care why the agenda packet et.al. was being hidden/withheld? That's exactly what we're talking about. Enough already. Thanks to those who have access to the truth and are willing to take a stand and share it.

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Thinkaboutit 2 years, 8 months ago

LR and basehordream... you will never be pleased will you? You will always be online complaining about something, but I would bet neither of you say a word at the meeting.

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

Fix the corruption. Then we'll be "pleased" and shut up. How easy is that?

BTW, we're waking people up, not "complaining." Complaining is what you guys keep doing. Arrest the felons who are guilty, and be done with it, then it'll all go away--duh.

(Below is our copy/pasted reply to another accusation on the other article, since it applies here, too---again, stop the corruption the right way, and you'll be rid of us the right way!):

"Seems as though this "Jimmy" guy is given way too much credit since he hasn't posted here even once. Instead of sharing ideas back and forth/give and take on how to solve the problems the way mature, sane, logical, reality-based, principled adults do, the only other postings besides those with questions and ideas have been those who defend the corruption and those who want to find out the identities of those who oppose their corrupt system, just like back in junior high days. The human comedy continues (sigh)."

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Thinkaboutit 2 years, 8 months ago

Felons?! These people (our may and council) are trying their best. I comepletely disagreed with the actions of our previous council but I would surely not go as far as calling them felons or even criminal. They are ordinary citizens asked to make very tough decisions for 5,000 plus people. And they aren't given much in return other than criticism. I signed the petition and voted to remove all the previous people we removed but I still respect their efforts and attempts, I just think they made a couple mistakes. Don't call them "corrupt" or "felons" and I surely wouldn't go googe their names in an attempT to disgrace their name like you did with Peirce. People make mistakes and get past them. Just like officer Cory you so desperately try to defend. He made mistakes and got fired. Move on with life! Get another job. If he is as good as guy as you lead on he should be fine if he(you) moves on wirh his life!

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

Scheez! First we are accused of being "Jimmy Washington," and now we are accused of being "Officer Cory." Completely delusional. “ProudofourCity” accuses us of being boring, and a few other choice words, because we keep bringing up ALL the innocent people you guys have run off down there at City Hall, but now you’re saying we only defend “Officer Cory.” Fishing expedition?

We get the message that you don’t like the words “felon” and “corrupt,” little too strong for the nerves, so we’ll back off and say “questionable behaviors.” How’s that?

The former city attorney made the “mistake” of being “too ethical” in documenting "questionable behaviors” of the mayor and former city administrator, as per the emails to him from the former city administrator. The HR clerk made the “mistake” of confronting “questionable behaviors” by superiors, and it looks like Officer Cory made the “mistake” of taking the side of the Basehor resident who called for help and believed the city’s dirt supervisor over the “questionable behaviors” of Martley and Pierce.

And you prefer to defend the Lt.’s “mistake” of “questionable behavior” by getting caught with pornography (scientific evidence that both “soft” and “hard” pornography changes brain chemistry the same way as heroin, cocaine, and alcohol addictions—porn has 5 stages of addiction—1. Viewing then experimenting, 2. Beastology, 3. Child porn then stalking children to molest, 4. Experimenting with same-gender “attraction” then homosexuality, 5. Murder, because the other 4 stages don’t give the same “high” any more—requires professional help to ever get over it because of the denial, is a very, very sad and hard struggle to get through, but it can be done), as well as the “questionable behavior” of the chief to hire the Lt. when it doesn’t match his own “philosophy” of those he chooses to hire as per his own statement on the city’s website: http://cityofbasehor.org/Police%20Index.html

Meanwhile, the same ones keep defending the “questionable behaviors” of those at City Hall, such as the latest “questionable behavior” of withholding/hiding the agenda packet et.al. Is there supposed to be a hidden “bait and switch” in there somewhere? Or is it to push buttons with diversionary provocation? Why do it at all, especially when the new mayor himself made the public statement that he’d like them to "concentrate on developing sound and good policy?" Why start “questionable behaviors” all over again that detract from his mission statement?

Doesn’t meet the smell test, nor build confidence with the newly appointed officials. And we will get an explanation tomorrow night as to why the “questionable behavior,” right???!!

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Thinkaboutit 2 years, 8 months ago

Was not saying your were Cory, was sayiing you AND Cory need to move on. I really don't care who you really are. My mistake in wording. Just think you and Standforsomething are going a little overboard with the head hunting. Especially since all you can do is type instead of speak at a council meeting. You are both way too irrationla to have any discussion (sane discussion)! So this will be my last post regarding either of you. Good luck with whatever your goal is.

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

Our mistake in not understanding what you meant to say, instead of going by what you did say.

Already said many of us have spoken up and got shot down. And yet, the truth finally got out to the public after all, didn't it?

Now it appears that "business as usual" has already been set up for tomorrow night's meeting! And you want us to "move on," ignore it, accept it. Guess that means the "fix" is in? Reality will always win out in the end because ideas are bullet-proof, and that's the real reason that certain people get upset on this forum.

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StandforSomething 2 years, 8 months ago

If you have ever read any history, the first thing you discover is that it is very common for governments to be taken over by white-collar organized crime. It happens all the time. It occurs, on a relatively small scale in towns like Basehor. It goes on in medium-size towns like Leavenworth. Chicago is notorious for having organized crime running the government for the last 100 years, or so. This is nothing unusual, I don't know anyone who is outside of the system who is looking in, that would be shocked by my saying this. Washington DC is even more infamous than Chicago. It has now become commonplace to refer to DC as the District of Criminals. Even the white-collar bureaucratic criminals who work in DC are not offended by this. The only people who do seem to be offended by what is going on in Basehor when we refer to them as "criminals" are the ones who are masquerading and playacting that they are not criminals and they would have us believe that the only thing that is wrong is that a couple of people here and there just "made a couple of mistakes" and they wish that everyone would "move on" with their lives and quit disapproving of them. Talk about your tax dollars at work: hiring and rehiring someone as a police lieutenant who is guilty of being a perpetrator pornographer is about as close as you can get to saying that: "You don't have to be well-versed in sexually explicit material to work here, but it sure helps!" The following quote really hits home, doesn't it? "In a closed [corrupt] society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught." ~Hunter S. Thompson.

Here's another quote that is very descriptive of what is happening in Basehor: "But you must remember, my fellow-citizens, that eternal vigilance by the people is the price of liberty, and that you must pay the price if you wish to secure the blessing. It behooves you, therefore, to be watchful in your States [and municipalities] as well as in the Federal Government." ~Andrew Jackson, Farewell Address, March 4, 1837. In Basehor, the defenders of the dishonest municipal government would change Andrew Jackson's sentiments to read as follows: "But you must remember, my fellow sheeple, that living in denial is the supreme virtue that we ask of all of our duped, mindless fellow sympathizers, and therefore, who are you going to believe, your lying eyes or your two-faced public servants? Do not scrutinize the criminal activities that occur down at City Hall because we are elitists and are cut out of different cloth than you are and we are incapable of admitting to any wrongdoing. You ungrateful unwashed wretches can therefore 'Love it or leave it.' My city right or wrong! My mother drunk or sober!" Yes sir! Fake patriotism is always the last refuge of the phony-plastic-banana-pencil-necked-geeks-white-collar career criminal [public overlords] otherwise known as wolves dressed in sheep's clothing.

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Ronald Grover 2 years, 8 months ago

LR-- Please cite your sources for your information on addictions.

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

Behavior disorder and social services training, but you can google for it, too.

The above reference was about using company time, equipment, and tax dollars at a former job, but the change in brain chemistry does require professional assistance to overcome it, whether use is in private or on the job or both. Based on the high rate of divorce and crime as a result of it, the trick is to find the therapist who's not hooked on it themselves. Very sad to work with during internship training--nothing to joke about or minimize because of the real pain its victims go through. A beautiful 21-year old young woman stated she could never watch the hard stuff, but she loved watching the soft-porn cartoons "because they could say and do the same things as the hard stuff but with comedy," not realizing she was already starting down that path to where she didn't think she could ever go, albiet in slow motion, and yet asking for assistance to a life spiraling out of control.

That being said, now let's focus on tonight's meeting for the truth about why the change in a standard agenda packet not being given to the council and newspaper, with missing information when it finally was given after enough people spoke up, especially when the claim is that the new mayor allegedly ordered it done that way when it has been the acting-city administrator who's been the one giving the agenda packet in prior newspaper articles.

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Ronald Grover 2 years, 8 months ago

LR -- I did google it and could find nothing in relationship to the inevitable progression of sexual addictive behavior in what you wrote about someone viewing pornography to eventually murdering people. Also I could find nothing in how heroin addiction, alcohol addiction and sexual addiction share the same brain chemistry disfunction.

Plus, many people overcome addiction, alcoholism and sexual addiction without professional assistance. Ever heard of a few well know programs like Alcoholics Anonymous, Narcotics Anonymous, Cocaine Anonymous and Sex Addicts Anonymous? These are NOT professionally managed programs and have a high rate of success for those dedicated to the program.

If you are making up facts or you are taking it from the religious websites that come up when you google 5 stages of addiction it says something to me.

Use science to back up your argument. I have extensive experience with drug addiction, it physiological effects and the behaviors associated with the disease of addiction. Your kind of misinformation is what unfairly stigmatizes people with these diseases.

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

Key words "for those dedicated to the program." My training deals with those who didn't, or couldn't, be dedicated, either entering or exiting rehab hospitals and mental hospitals, which does require professional training. The programs mentioned are excellent, but a few still fall through the cracks because they can't understand why they can't stop "cold turkey" and blame themselves when professional help could've prevented their crash and burn episodes.

It's not the "sharing the same brain chemistry dysfunction," because the words I used were "changes brain chemistry the same way as..." As mentioned, it's more of a progressive addiction ("albiet in slow motion"), and sneaks up on the victim a lot slower than drug or alcohol addiction. Therefore, when it shows up on the job, that's usually a red flag, meaning a cry for help, whether the victim realizes it or not.

If the preference is to focus on "murder" and "religion," then please take the discrediting campaign to another article posting. My above focus was not on either one of those, but thanks for bringing up the names of all the groups that could be helpful, depending on which stage of addiction the poor victim is in. Agreed, it takes a lot of courage to come out of denial for any addiction and then take that first step to recovery with continued dedication, regardless of who they depend upon to hear their cry for help.

What this forum is focusing on: "questionable behaviors" are done at City Hall, and the public is asked to forgive/forget/turn a blind eye to the "mistakes" created by "questionable behaviors." If the public is not on the same team as those condoning/protecting the "questionable behaviors," then the public is told to take a hike, while at the same time that "team" is systematically getting rid of employees who have no red flags and are continually giving them no-win situations or unlawful orders. Simple as that.

Yes, it's unfortunate people's past "mistakes" get minimized by the arbitrator and posted on google for all eyes to witness, instead of getting the real help needed and corrected the right way, but if City Hall was really doing their jobs that we elected them to do, expecting them to use wise principles and not allow the "mistakes" and "questionable behaviors," not shove them under a rug out of sight to continue behind closed doors and tighter security, then the public wouldn't be motivated to do their own research, would they? They'd already represent us as expected, and we'd be pleased with their performance.

Focus on tonight's council meeting with the rest of us. We want answers to a lot of things, and keep getting ignored or yelled at or labeled or....but never any reality-based answers.

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Ronald Grover 2 years, 8 months ago

LR -- If you really want to make a difference lets see your name on the ballot next election.

I've been on a ballot and elected before, have you?

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

Ah-ha! Still doing the identity thing, and attack thing--instead of focusing on the real issues--thought so--LOL! Yep, been on a ballot before, too. Better be careful, compulsive-obsessive behaviors, such as "Poster Identity" can become addictive behavior, also. :-)))

In the meantime, check out this book, since you claim to "have extensive experience with drug addiction," because it could be helpful to know about it in those groups you listed above: DesMaisons, Kathleen, PhD., "Are You Sugar Sensitive? Potatoes Not Prozac," (Simon & Schuster), 1998; she predicted that in 5 years from that date there'd be a single-source, scientific-authority for a sugar-sensitivity blood test.

The child of alcoholic parents, she began research on it to understand her own cravings and symptoms with an: "...in-depth investigation of the solid scientific research that has been done on (simple) carbohydrate sensitivity, and the role of brain chemicals in alcoholism, drugs, addictions, and nutrition...First, it is your genetic makeup, especially if you are the child of a drug addict or an alcoholic. Your body physiologically craves sugar the same way your parent’s body physiologically learned to crave alcohol or drugs. It started out as being done “for fun,” then their dependence developed, and then it turned into abuse and addiction; slavery in the deepest sense of the word. Their body’s chemistry changed and was passed down to their children...Blood sugar has a powerful emotional impact on certain brain chemicals that get out of balance by an overuse of sugar, refined-flour and over-processed foods. Serotonin is one of the affected brain chemicals. Another one is beta-endorphin. Both are essential for emotional well-being. Serotonin creates feelings of optimism, creativity and peace of mind. Beta-endorphin affects a person’s self-esteem, tolerance for both physical and emotional pain, a sense of connectedness to others, and an ability to take personal responsibility for one's actions...Move from the negative thoughts of 'character defects' to understanding why you, a sugar-sensitive person, have a volatile blood sugar response. There is a 92 percent success rate nationwide among those who have switched to Dr. DesMaisons’ seven-step food plan. With understanding the 'why' behind their feelings, her clients no longer crave sugar or processed food, and have a new brain added to the mix of recovery..."

Just quoting a few facts that've been out there for quite awhile on addictions. The above research is being studied for porn because of the rise in pornography addiction (brain chemistry changes) and the devastation it has on families and society. My training was before that date but do try to keep current with any research. Hope this was helpful information for anybody you know in those groups.

Now, let's get back to the real focus at hand, tonight's council meeting.

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LR 2 years, 7 months ago

LR(anonymous) says…

Here's a proposed plan on moving the city forward with professionalism--Getting an unbiased, objective, third-party Interim City Administrator for Basehor City--it's normal to do this, as one can see below:

http://www.pratttribune.com/news/x140... http://www.gardneredge.com/news/2011/... http://www.grainvalleypointe.com/2011... http://signal.baldwincity.com/news/20... http://gardnernews.com/our-view-press...

April 25, 2012 at 10:41 p.m.

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