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Basehor City Council meeting agenda: March 19

Basehor City Hall is at 2620 N. 155th St.

Basehor City Hall is at 2620 N. 155th St.

March 16, 2012

The Basehor City Council has a regular meeting at 7 p.m. on the third Monday of each month at Basehor City Hall.

The council's March meeting will begin with the election of a new City Council president, who will then become mayor. The new mayor must then appoint two new council members, allowing for a quorum of three members total, before the council can move on to other business.

Agenda for March 19 meeting:

Filling of elected positions

  • Elect new City Council president
  • Swearing-in of new mayor
  • Mayoral appointment of new council member
  • Swearing-in of new council member
  • Mayoral appointment of second new council member
  • Swearing-in of second new council member

Consent agenda

  • Approve Feb. 27 City Council meeting minutes
  • Approve treasurer's report
  • Property/liability insurance renewal

New business

  • Consider Kansas Department of Transportation Agreement No. 255-11 and Supplemental Agreement to Agreement No. 92-11, regarding land acquisition for 158th Street traffic signal and Wolf Creek Parkway extension projects
  • Consider 2011 KDOT applications for corridor management construction projects — consider combination of Wolf Creek Parkway, 158th Street and 155th Street construction projects

A complete agenda packet with more information is available at cityofbasehor.org.

Comments

LR 2 years, 8 months ago

Ok, Basehor's chief/acting admin./acting mayor says that there's nothing in the state or city or local statutes about a state trustee being required. But what about "separation of powers" with the chief acting as city administrator/city mayor? Separation of Powers statues is in the Kansas State Constitution. A city in Arizona, Quartzsite, has got this same problem where their chief of police is acting as chief, city administrator, AND as mayor, even though their mayor is still there and got re-elected, and the Az chief of police holds city council meetings behind closed doors, not allowing the mayor or the public to attend, and refuses to be accountable for the loss of $5 million city dollars at this date. Plus, the Az chief has the whole town of 3600 under martial law. 9 police officers filed complaints, got put into house arrest, and then had to go into hiding because the chief/administrator/self-appointed mayor declared to the remaining 5 police officers to go after them and do "physical harm" to the other 9. Is that where Basehor is heading?? Aside from that, thanks to somebody named "Becky" who gave the link http://www.cityofbasehor.info/ in another post last week, we now know that there's more to the story--don't see anything on tomorrow night's agenda about the Notice of Claim from former Officer Cory who received life saving awards, no write ups, etc., but got treated just like the Az. law officers! Asked around about the empty shotguns--turns out only the Basehor chief and his Lt. have keys to the ammo locker for the shotguns, so it's not like the other officers can just go and reload on their own. What's that all about when the Notice of Claim is quoting the Basehor chief saying he doesn't care whether the shotguns are loaded or not?? Fred said he was tired of the corruption when he handed in his resignation, and we didn't quite know what he meant. Hummmm...some guy has the power to keep our officers AND residents safe, and he's saying he doesn't care if the shotguns that the officers use are loaded or not?? You all need to read that Notice of Claim--it's VERY disturbing about the kind of incompetent, unprofessional leadership we have here compared to what we THOUGHT we had! Hope he gets his $350,000 claim--small price to pay him for going public compared to what the 9 Az police officers are going through!

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Ronald Grover 2 years, 8 months ago

I heard the black helicopters last night and I am wearing a tin foil hat to protect us from this chain of events. LOL OMG, we're all going to Basehor concentration camps.

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

LOL! Too much truth hit a nerve, didn't it?!!! LOL!

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

Opps! Don't see anything about the Notice of Claim for MONDAY night's city council agenda--sorry! But might mention, the Notice of Claim is dated last November--so where's it been all this time?? No separation of powers OR accountability either, just like Az already??!!!

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careforthetown 2 years, 8 months ago

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/07/10/20110710arizona-city-quartzsite-mayor-marshal-law0711.html

I thought the above AZ comments sounded a little odd at first. I checked it out in several AZ NEWSPAPER articles. This is legit and almost scary how closely it resembles SOME (SMALL AMOUNT) of are beloved towns current dysfunctions. I hope our New City Council has more accountability for the administration then it has in the past! Firing someone should NOT BE LEFT UP TO ONE OR TWO administers.

I have looked at the Notice of Claims. It's easy to see why it was hidden from the Council and the public.

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careforthetown 2 years, 8 months ago

http://www.azcentral.com/news/article...

Correction

I thought the above AZ comments sounded a little odd at first. I checked it out in several AZ newspaper articles. This is legit and almost scary how closely it resembles some (a small amount) of our beloved towns current dysfunctions. I hope our New City Council has more accountability for the administration then it had in the past! Firing someone should not be left up to one or two ADMINISTRATORS.

I have looked at the Notice of Claims. It's easy to see why it was hidden from the Council and the public.

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

OMG! Just used up my free Saturday to finish reading the rest of the "files" on that above website "Becky" gave us, wish I'd done it sooner. The former city atty Patrick Reavey was abused and his legal counsel was rejected for being "too ethical" on the Cedar Fork annexation and Mary Mogel severance pay; the HR clerk Mary Mogel was abused and "suddenly" let go for doing her job of processing a police officer's complaint, placed with a gag order even, but Hill and Loughry didn't want the city council to know anything about them letting her go or why (based on those documents), and the former police officer is fired over where the city dumped the dirt at his house to finish cleaning up a broken city sewer line. The recall for the mayor and former city administrator were way past needing to be done, based on all their illegal grabs for money (some here, some there, and then lying about it) as listed on those legal documents on that website! But the rest of them, all got abused, and for what--for doing their job legally, honestly, and ethically, with the former police officer's attempted appeal being denied by Loughry AND the Chief, but we certainly read lots of newspaper coverage about Loughry being upset that his appeal was turned down. And we're to believe the police chief/acting city administrator/acting city mayor that the remaining 2 city councilmembers will represent all of us fairly, honestly, objectively, logically, rationally, ethically, morally when they vote for themselves to be pres. of the council, vote for themselves to be mayor, and appoint a new city administrator and 3 new city councilmembers, without ANY input/elections from the public??

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jayhawk83 2 years, 8 months ago

I would like to know where you are getting the idea that Lloyd is going to assume the role of mayor; he obviously has his hands full being chief and interim city administrator. Which, by the way, good luck finding someone who will want the administrator position now. It's going to cost the city even more money, benefits, and protections to get someone to take that bullet. I wonder why there has been no talk of hiring another administrator after all these months? How nice that you keep stirring the pot with theories about what will happen to this town. Sidenote: the only thing Becky has given me is further appreciation for having learned proper spelling and sentence structure.

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ProudOfOurCity 2 years, 8 months ago

jayhawk: You are 100% right!!! Some of the pot stirrers have changed their names on the blog. But you can rest assure that LR is Jimmy Washington or one of his cronies. They need to move on with their lives, hopefully somewhere other than Basehor.

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johninbasehor 2 years, 8 months ago

My oh my! What planet do they come from? I wish they would give all this a rest and move on. If you want to worry about something, you better worry how much your taxes will go up to pay that 1/2 million dollar judgement against the city thanks to the previous fired city council. Don't worry about insurance paying for their mistake, as they willfully chose to ignore the advice of their own paid city attorney with their actions!

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johninbasehor 2 years, 8 months ago

After reading the article suggested about Quartzite, Az., I found this in the article that could relate to the half million dollar lawsuit in Basehor: "Knowingly proceeding without the written approval of the city attorney would cause the council's subsequent actions to fall outside the protected activities of the 'Executive Protection Clause,' and cause them to be liable, individually for their actions under the law."

Meaning that the firing of the city administrator against the advice of our city attorney would make the previous city council liable to cover the law suit costs personally. This would be an interesting development if Kansas law parallels Arizona law.

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

Smokescreen to muddy up the waters, nice try.

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basehordream 2 years, 8 months ago

after reading the claim, i have lost all respect for the chief and lieutenant of breuerville. we want and need honest employees. corruption has to stop. bring back basehor.

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basehordream 2 years, 8 months ago

so, after all applications have been looked over, ed bush and richard drennon will be appointed tonight.

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basehordream 2 years, 8 months ago

so what was the real point in the application process?

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ProudOfOurCity 2 years, 8 months ago

Not as smart as you thought??????? You and Jimmy need to start thinking things through more carefully. Your brain overloaded your mouth as usual.

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

Who is this "Jimmy" that some of you keep referring to? He must be laughing his head off by now.

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

LOL! "Pot stirrers" "black helicopters" "tin foil hats" "changed names on the blog" "Basehor concentration camps" "theories" "no talk of hiring another administrator (when he's threatened a lawsuit to maybe manipulate/scare people into getting his job back) ...yes, even lowering to pettiness and abuse of mocking somebody's grammar...ALL diversionary!

The REAL issues here are >> no separation of powers >> in case you hadn't noticed it, Lloyd has already assumed the role of "mayor" until tonight's meeting, allegedly bought himself a few things for "his" police dept. before tonight's meeting, Boss Hogg style. Follow the money... AND, even MORE importantly>>

why isn't anybody talking/doing something about those files, actual copies of legal documents that have been kept from the public?? http://www.cityofbasehor.info/Files.php

VERY good point--what was the real point of an application process--oh yeah, the illusion of a republic government. It's called using either the "Diamond" or "Delphi" techniques of control on innocent citizens to gain power that the citizens would never go for if they knew they were being played. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck. Guess you'll wanna put a tin foil hat on the duck,too? LOL! Guess you figure "Jimmy Washington" and "his cronies" are the only Basehor citizens who think for themselves and notice what's going on down at City Hall, right? LOL!

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jayhawk83 2 years, 8 months ago

I think the illusion here is your desire to "project" yourself as just a concerned citizen that as no affiliation with the Washington party. I also find it funny that you seem to think that no one has audited the books of the city. They have been reviewed, at great expense, with nothing out of the ordinary coming up. Not the past year, or the years before that. So, before you accuse others of "projecting" their ideas or agenda in an effort to fool the masses, I suggest you come back to the facts yourself. Accusations abound, but where are the charges? There is a fiduciary responsibility of any auditing party to notify the authorities about misappropriation of funds. And when was it that this happened? That's right, the auditing firm never produced evidence of that nature. Projection seems to take form in this website that you praise so much. I'm sorry that you see my jab at Becky as a diversion; I simply use it to illustrate the caliber of thought some people try to convey their arguments with. It speaks volumes of their intellect and credibility.

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

"...with nothing out of the ordinary coming up (audit)." Still playing the diversionary-game...

It's okay to lie about the salary from a prior job, as Loughry did, and then change an employment legal contract to a higher salary without the knowledge, let alone the city council approval--just by having Hill's handwritten note in the margin to change the salary amount, as per the documented facts? And it's okay to lie and abuse city funds with personal expenses? And it's okay to attempt withholding employment contract information, even severance pay and a gag order, from the City Council because superiors to the HR clerk fired her for taking a work complaint to her superiors?

Maybe that above statement has a little bit of truth to it after all, to SOME people >>"...with nothing out of the ordinary coming up." >> maybe it's so normal for corruption down at City Hall, it's no longer out of the "ordinary" to run into it, so it gets minimized? Sorry, the audit exposed the corruption, no matter how much the facts are denied.

As for "where are the charges," guess that question needs to be answered by a.) reading the already-filed legal documents that keep getting ignored, all the way back to 2010 (probably goes back further than that), and b.) answered by the evidence documented for recalling Hill and firing Loughry.

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jayhawk83 2 years, 8 months ago

Lol; it amuses me that pointing to the facts of the matter is diversionary, instead of credit to the fact that funds were handled correctly. Hmmmm; valid charges being ignored by authorities? I don't think so. Since you are such an expert, I suggest you question the powers that be as to why these charges that should be filed continually get "ignored."

Regarding his salary, Loughry was due for a pay increase at his previous employer, which can be verified by the City of Hays. And actually, that information has been covered in a few of the articles on this very site. Why wouldn't a qualified person seek at least, if not more, compensation when stepping into a lead position, let alone moving their family? That's common sense, people. The council approves the budgets and watched receipts like hawks; ask any employee with the city how often council members were in their business. Regarding withholding severance pay, it sounds like a page directly from the previous council's book. It's what they did to Loughry, after all.

Your glass looks empty; perhaps you you need to grab another pitcher.

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

"...funds were handled correctly..." "...Loughry was due for a pay increase at his previous employer..." and yet the former city attorney has a complete file on all emails exchanged between himself and Loughry that outlines the normal, regular back-and-forth negotiations, then the contract is signed-sealed-delivered, and what does Loughry do? He has Hill change the salary amount by writing in the margin the new amount withOUT any city council knowledge or approval. The former city attorney has a complete file on his investigation into this contract fraud, including Loughry "explaining" that he was due for a pay raise at the old job anyway, so he just gave it to himself on the written-in amount at his new job AFTER the city council approved the final negotiations with him. And all of you are comfortable with that? This has become your "comfort zone," but will it fly with the public who you are expecting to bail you out every time you get caught?

In spite of the city council allegedly watching "like hawks," the former city attorney’s file of emails documents that Loughry/Hill still managed to change the legal contract AFTER it was signed-sealed-delivered, repeat, withOUT city council knowledge or approval.

As to the HR clerk's severance pay, yeah, the former city attorney's file of emails documents that it came from the “old” authority figures, but certainly not the city council because it was Hill/Loughry who told the former city attorney to back off, that because she was appointed without the city council, she could be fired without the city council, and that the rest of the salary due to her being fired before her contract expired didn't have to be known to the city council, BUT the former city attorney totally disagreed, citing them law book cases, that her vacation time she had coming, but anything else still had to be done through the city council since they were giving her a gag order with it.

Read the documents -- oh, yeah, forgot, you already know how it went down cause maybe you were there, and that's why the sound of a stuck pig is echoing all over Basehor because of trying so hard to keep it all hidden. Nice try. The amusing part is that this is called the "Potomac Two-Step." The Basehor "kings" can do no wrong.

Throughout this whole chain of events, there has been a reckless disregard of the truth on the part of those who appear to be connected to the corruption [the status quo] which they are trying to maintain at any cost, including making the truth the first casualty.

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jayhawk83 2 years, 8 months ago

In looking over the documents on your website, I don't see a misrepresentation of pay. I see that upcoming raises were accounted for in the decision of Loughry to come to Basehor. As he was asst. city manager in Hays, these were the benefits he'd be receiving. To expect less is silly; your email documentation shows that negotiations were going that way, and that Reavey was okay with the base pay/benefits. His email states he is seeking full insurance coverage for his family; where is the email correspondence that addresses that request? It is strange that the email trail ends there. The information from Hays is legit. And an anticipatory raise is valid; especially if his boss can verify it was in the works for the coming months. So you would want to equally compensate him, wouldn't you? Wasn't that the original plan when Loughry was hired? Car allowance, full insurance for he and family...all that and more he received at Hays. So, why the whistle blown so late if there was a problem?

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ProudOfOurCity 2 years, 8 months ago

LR I think you have finally lost your mind!!!!!

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

LOL! See? No separation of powers again--judge, jury, executioner all in one, to defend what? Defend the status quo. "Bully in Sight" by expert Tim Fields says that bullies use 15 techniques, and when there's too much truth for them to deal with, they go for the last one, #15, which is to discredit the other person by calling them "mentally ill" "crazy" "lost their mind," etc. LOL! Stick to the REAL 2 issues, and let's have an honest debate. Name calling is your only offer so far?

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careforthetown 2 years, 8 months ago

LR very well spoken. It would be nice to see Us the CITIZENS talking about facts Or even conjecture. I like to read the different intelligent comments on here. I don't always agree, but hateful comments will not HELP ANYONE or Validate any point you're trying to make.

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StandforSomething 2 years, 8 months ago

There needs to be an investigation of any and all monies that may have been misappropriated, and if credit cards have been used in self-aggrandizing ways, there needs to be total and complete accountability in all of those areas. An independent audit needs to be performed of all expenditures. The results of the audit needs to be published so that the public can be fully aware of where every nickel, dime, and penny was expended and by whom. Any conduct by a public official that cannot be legally justified and that conflicts with the law needs to be investigated and punished according to the crimes they have committed.

Forget the labels and focus on what "LR" and "basehordream" have requested. Get those "hidden" files out on the table, and let's talk about the actual issues of facts that those legal documents reveal. The only way you can do anything about it is to stop stalling, and with public transparency and a genuine public debate, a legitimate solution will emerge.

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ProudOfOurCity 2 years, 8 months ago

There was an independent audit performed a few months ago. The audit performed was the one requested by Mertz, Dysart and Box. The one that cost the City several thousands of extra dollars. I believe that you can request a copy of the results from the City Clerk.

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

Yes, and the audit found the problem, didn't it? It served its purpose. Don't demonize the whistleblowers. Just send an invoice for the "several thousands" to the former mayor and the former city administrator to pay for it--recoup the costs for the audit from them because of their "money irregularities." It's called a "natural consequence" to their actions. And then clean up City Hall--if you keep the corruption out of office, there wouldn't be any of these "extra dollars" missing in the first place, right? :-)))

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ProudOfOurCity 2 years, 8 months ago

The audit found no problems with the former mayor or former city administrator. Your only problem with them is that the Purple Guys got axed and you promised revenge. The part that backfired though was Mertz and Dysart went out also. You hadn't planned on that happening.

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

"(Adolph Hitler & his minister of propaganda Joseph Goebbles) primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie

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johninbasehor 2 years, 8 months ago

That audit supposedly cost the city $10,000 more than the type of audit that is done by 90% of the cities the size of Basehor, thanks to the fired previous city council. The engineering firm hired by the fired previous city council also paid the engineering firm $20,000 more that the cheapest qualified bidder for that work, because they liked the project manager. Now it looks like the crew of the star ship Enterprise want the police chief/city managers job.

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

There you go again, diversionary pscho-babble when facts are presented. The term you're looking for is "projection." jgreen must be the one seeking the police chief/city manager’s job, but to get the focus off themselves, they're "projecting" what their own inclinations are onto somebody else, another innocent somebody, who's pointing out facts, and these facts seem to be what jgreen, et.al., don't want to be seen or heard. This tactic is supposed to discredit the innocent person presenting the facts so that, hopefully, nobody pays any attention to the perps. Quit trying to find a "scapegoat" for what the former mayor/former city administrator did to themselves on their own watch. The solution is still simple--recoup the audit costs by invoicing the former mayor and former city administrator. If they break the rules, they take the consequence--or in other words, if they don't want to do the time, then don't do the crime. Maybe the engineering firm deserved the business because they understood what the words "independent audit" really meant--no bribes/payoffs/kickbacks/double dealing. Stop acting like the audit itself was the crime. The audit was to find out who did the crimes--duh!--and in the real world out here, the guilty are made to pay for their crime, not to enable them to play the starring role of victim! But, again, the focus should be on the REAL reasons that the former mayor was recalled and former city administrator was fired instead of demonizing the whistleblowers. And, again, the focus STILL needs to be on those legal documents dated all the way back to 2010 that nobody wants to talk about.

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jayhawk83 2 years, 8 months ago

You have definitely drank the Kool-aid, LR. I find it laughable that the KBI investigation, which turned up nothing on Loughry, is not a good enough to assuage your opinions. You should stop calling these men criminals; competent investigators have noted no wrongdoing on their part. It's about time the people of this town embrace that fact. Sure, try to make Loughry and Hill pay for an expensive audit that uncovered nothing, and have them pay for it. when the council that made this mess called for it. If a bill should be sent, get Dysart and Mertz's addresses.

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

Still not addressing the REAL issues, are ya? LOL! Ok, putting words in my mouth doesn't work, just to attempt a re-write of history to change the focus, never called them "criminals," just said if they did the crime, pay the bill and/or do the time. Sure KBI never found anything FURTHER, that's apples and oranges because the KBI doesn't need to deal with what the audit found, that's a local issue, not a state KBI issue. Yes, we agree that the KBI didn't find anything ELSE on them, and that's a fact. And what the audit found is also a fact--it can't be changed no matter how many times you throw out the "Kool-aid" label or try to introduce another (KBI) diversionary topic. And those ignored documents all the way back to 2010 reveal that our former city attorney resigned rather than be part of the Hill/Loughry illegal actions that they still need to pay the City back for. Basehor public now needs to address those revealing legal documents that nobody's wanting to talk about down at City Hall.

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ProudOfOurCity 2 years, 8 months ago

Hey Jimmy(LR) Why don't you post the audit results on your website? The audit showed nothing wrong and your criminal investigation that you kept threatening everyone with also came up with nothing. Loughry and Hill were found innocent of all of the lies you like to spew. Give it up and move somewhere else where you can try to destroy other lives. It is a personal vendetta on your part and now you are after the Chief because he was going to escort you from the city meeting where you were behaving like a complete fool.

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

"...Loughry and Hill were found innocent of all of the lies you like to spew..." The new Mayor Breur said in 2009 to support the Basehor school district because it's a good one, and yet somehow illiteracy is running rampant on this forum—Read the former city attorney's legal documentation that proves Hill and Loughry do NOT have clean hands! Being on the wrong side of truth is the only reason corrupt people get their lives "destroyed" because they got caught.

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jayhawk83 2 years, 8 months ago

I guess your "documentation" will be key as the lawsuit against the city ramps up in the coming months. When the dust settles, we will see who was correct. My bet is Loughry will be walking away with a handsome settlement courtesy of the people you still support. No evidence of criminal activity, no acts of wrongdoing. All you have is your perception of the truth, but the authorities have cleared him. Peddle your perceptions elsewhere.

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basehordream 2 years, 8 months ago

Check out the Kansas City Star story on Gardner from last month to see what may be in store for Basehor. http://joco913.com/news/a-lively-time-for-the-city-of-gardner/#storylink=mis earch

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ProudOfOurCity 2 years, 8 months ago

If you don't like Basehor please leave and take your cronies with you!

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

LOL! "Hate Crime" "Thought Crime" -- "Anti-America" if you hate corruption and speak out against it, so "Love it or leave it" -- It's pretty clear that it's NOT Basehor we don't like, it's the lying, stealing, secrecy from the city council, and abuse against our professional people doing their jobs. And we're supposed to "love" that or leave?? Come on!

All these comments just proved there's something really, really serious going on about keeping those legal documents out of the public eye, since 2010, and never to get resolved the right way, publicly, legally and morally. Why? To keep the corruption going? Or to hide other corruption? Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

The former city attorney resigned after his legal counsel on how to deal with issues legally was rejected. That's a fact. What kind of professional abuse is the current city attorney facing??

Hill/Loughry tried, and succeeded, to dupe the City out of money that didn't belong to them. That's a fact. What other trusted public servants are trying to do the same thing, and that's why total silence about those legal documents all the way back to 2010??

A former officer exposes, among other things, city dollars spent on a personal and biased "investigation" by the Chief and Lt. about where the city dumped dirt to finish clean up on a broken sewer line, (because the Lt.'s son got in trouble with his supervisor for dumping it in the wrong place), and is able to re-write history and twist words in order to "blame" the officer, that starts out as blaming him for "dishonesty" and wants him to sign a paper agreeing to that, and then suddenly changes to signing an agreement to "insubordination" for disagreeing with the facts on the Lt.'s biased and personal investigation, which created anger with the Lt., to the point where he assaults the officer! Hiding this since November would suggest that it's a fact, also, and we're for a grand jury getting to the bottom of it.

Begs the question of what kind of peer pressure is going on over in the City's police dept., perhaps from hiding so much illegal corruption among their superiors clear back to 2010, for the Lt. and Chief to stoop to this level of lying, and then assault when somebody disagrees with their lie??!!!

Ok, so how many other Basehor officers have experienced this same kind of verbal/physical abuse and didn't get their story out to the public because they figure nobody will believe them---after all, the Notice of Claim quotes the Chief saying that "investigations" always take the side of the "supervisor" (except in the case about the city's dirt, the supervisor's truth on that issue was ignored and distorted).

Oh, the webs we weave! Stop trying to kill the "messengers," stop with the diversionary already, and get to the bottom of the corruption that's outlined in those 2010-2011 legal documents!

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good_ol_boy 2 years, 8 months ago

I know I stated once that careforthetown sounded like a disgruntled employee, but now making sure this CLAIM has come to the forum shows us which one it is.

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boots 2 years, 8 months ago

First off, the shot guns... The shot guns were loaded, and if you needed shells, lt pierce lived in town so it was never difficult to get the code to enter the cabinet...

Second.. I hope he loses the claim if not for anything other than he didn't follow directions ... He simply stated 'I'm going to pretend you didn't tell me" when his former co worker passed along important information..

Third: chief is not corrupt, he stands behind his employees, does more than what is expected AND works hard to get officers what they need.

Cory wasnt wanted in Missouri so chief gave him a chance... At will employment my friend... Dont do your job and cause conflict between other employees and you won't last long..

Making accusations that the female officer and her best friend who also worked in basehor were sleeping together, that was pretty sweet too...

Good luck !

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basehordream 2 years, 8 months ago

ok jennifer aka boots you used to be basehor officer and now your diverting attention away from your beloved pierce and martly. maybe you and erik were having a little thing going on. is that why you quit?

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

Uh-Oh. The reply given to "boots" by another Basehor resident, calling her out on the above diversionary false allegations, that also proves there was a hostile work environment over at the Basehor police dept., has now been removed.

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basehordream 2 years, 8 months ago

yes, i heard that boots "former female police officer" complained to the newspaper and had it removed. too bad that they can still write jim, iris, dennis, fred but if you write the name jennifer it will be removed. why is that?

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

The list of "disgruntled employees" appears to be going back several years, perhaps decades, considering how many names are on that website with legal documents, and considering there appears to be a bully-entrenched hierarchy going after anybody who does their job of exposing corruption, and based on the high turnover of whistleblowers and other scapegoats in all those listed legal documents. Once again we see another diversionary smokescreen and fishing expedition, not to mention appearing to be in favor of the years of cover-ups, while trying to "blame" one out of the many listed trail of victims.

Scheeez! Why do the posters here work so hard to AVOID talking about the corruption that all those legal documents are bringing to light, thanks to another commenter letting us all know that they even exist? Appears that good_ol_boy, et.al., is protesting too much about the legal documents being exposed at all. Why is that?

BTW, "disgruntled" is a characterization, another label. What evidence do you have about anybody being "disgruntled" just because a whole group of legal files have been exposed to the public? It's the public that's "disgruntled" right now because they've been betrayed and ripped off! Congratulations, you've identified how you try to do damage control by targeting one person, be it the right person or not, isolating them, and then making an "example" of them, to "teach" them a lesson, to spread fear among the ranks of the other whistleblowers and scapegoats so they'll shut up. Let's see what you try to do with your divide-and-conquor tactics with the former city attorney, the former HR clerk, etc. What happens when the button-pushing doesn't work?

Way to go "basehordream" in calling out correctly the same diversionary tactics that "boots" and all the rest of 'em are doing, to avoid the REAL issues here!

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good_ol_boy 2 years, 8 months ago

I'm just saying that I've never heard one officer complain about who they work for, just who they worked with. Now that officer is complaining about it. Beyond his lawyers claim, it sounds like he created his own hostile work environment. In fact officer's that left willingly did it for their own protection from the former council. Complain all you want about them, you call 911 when you need protected. I give thanks to the ones that stuck it out through the years of B.S. that the city has put them through and you all should too.

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

Let's see, if you've "...never heard one officer complain about who they work for, just who they worked with..." then that would imply by your own admission that maybe you're part of the problem because you’re trying to get it away from yourself by making up something out of thin air. The obvious diversionary false allegation doesn’t even follow any rationale or logic.

Did the former city attorney "create his own hostile work environment" when he complained who he worked for AND worked with, refusing to play along with the corrupt Hill/Loughry team's unethical, illegal actions and voluntarily resigned before he could be implicated in any of their malfeasance?

Did the former HR clerk "create her own hostile work environment" when she followed her job description to take a work complaint to her superiors and got fired? She got fired too soon with a gag order to know whether or not she complained about who she worked for or with.

By her own admission "boots" confirmed that there was a hostile working environment by the way she used diversionary issues that “basehordream” called her on. So that would suggest that the Notice of Claim is also a fact that can be added to the mix of legal documentation without the help of a grand jury.

It sure is more obvious with each posting that the same ones, repeatedly, do not want any of those legal documents to hit the public view. Why? Why are the illegal actions of abuse and corruption trying to be defended when there’s no defense for corruption or abuse of any kind?

Corruption is a disease that always disguises itself as a cure. Through this whole thing, what we keep hearing is that the real victims did it to themselves, and that the authority figures didn’t do anything. But that’s not what is documented as facts. As long as the corrupt authority figures were able to keep moving the goal posts, keep the focus on their subordinates and away from themselves, the corruption scams continued, and could become a permanent feature down at City Hall. That’s why people always say you can’t fight City Hall, because they’re buying into the mythology of the divide-and-conquer mindset that’s been displayed on this forum. Once the fog clears, the bovine excrement stops.

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good_ol_boy 2 years, 8 months ago

Except I don't care what documents hit the public, just sad to see good people have their name thrown around on this forum for no reason. Like I said before, there are bigger problems out here to worry about rather than some B.S. lawsuit by a upset ex-cop.

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

“…good people have their name thrown around on this forum for no reason…” is proof of reckless disregard for the truth because the only “good people” names, Hill/Loughry, are those attached to the former city attorney’s investigation files that has hard-core, third-party evidence that they committed fraud and corruption on the people of Basehor, playing them for suckers. Sounds like a two-year old’s temper tantrum. Diversionary. But this does add comic relief.

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ProudOfOurCity 2 years, 8 months ago

You are one sick individual....................you have lied so much that I think you actually believe it! You and your cronies are out of power so give it up Jimmy!

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

LOL! If you're saying that this "Jimmy" guy would say the same things that we are, study the FACTS and stop all corruption, then we accept the compliment, and want to say to this "Jimmy" guy--Kudos to you!! Obviously this group is afraid of the truth.

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basehordream 2 years, 8 months ago

you want disgruntled employees. just ask tom wiles why he left. he was harassed over and over and tried to complain. his time sheet was crumpled and tossed when walked out of the squad room by our now sergeant. they made fun of tom enough for him to find another job. jason slaughter was also upset with the basehor pd. he went to shawnee and subsequently to the lv sheriff's dept where he will not communicate with chief martly at all. just look at the fact that our chief dislikes the sheriff with a passion. our chief and lieutenant have run off many good employees and even the former chief horner in a power grab. i am sure that someone will be afraid that others may see this and try to have it removed. freedom of speech.

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

Thanks "basehordream" - knew there had to be more facts and victims out there. Pretty sure this is just the tip of the iceberg, based on all the diversionary tactics that's been used then and now.

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ProudOfOurCity 2 years, 8 months ago

Now that Mertz and Dysart cannot retaliate against the city employees you should ask the employees what they thought about Mertz and Dysart. I am quite sure they celebrated. They can finally go to work and do their job without being constantly harrassed by those two.

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basehordream 2 years, 8 months ago

yep, it's called being held accountable. you watch and see how much king breuer will raise the mill levey. martly will carry out his liege-lords commands. tapestries chronicles great legends of the past..

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ProudOfOurCity 2 years, 8 months ago

You are definitely one of Washington's cronies...................you sound as bizarre as he does. God Help Us!

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

This diatribe of “them-against-us” mentality is going nowhere after 3 days when you guys keep rejecting the former legal files from 2010, rejecting the audit and other facts since 2010, and rejecting the idea of an open, honest, special election that was advocated by postings that merged from both sides. Instead it has been only ignoring and attacking the former legal files, insisting that all wrong-doing was declared non-existent, and that “tin foil hat” people are trying to do a power grab by asking to clean house with a special election.

Let’s focus on procedures instead of politics for a minute—bear with me:

1.) The former city attorney outlined the illegal actions that Hill and Loughry were doing clear back in 2010 (more than just the purchase of a coffee pot with meals on the city credit card and creating fraud to a legal contract—it seemed to be a pattern they did with a lot of other issues, kind of like “my way or the highway”), and same said former city attorney somehow knew he would not be able to file a complaint or get an appeal if needed, so he voluntarily resigned before being implicated

2.) The former HR clerk takes a work complaint to her superiors and is automatically fired, with no chance to file a complaint or get an appeal

3.) “basehordream” states that “lots of good people” have been run off and names 3 more (Wiles, Slaughter, and former Chief Horner), who also appeared not to be “allowed” to file a complaint or get an appeal, so we’re guessing that they left voluntarily

4.) The Notice of Claim for another officer, Cory, tries to complain to HR and Loughry, eventually fired for going to HR to ask for help, and is denied the legal right to file charges (assault) or get an appeal by both Loughry and Martley

5.) Ironically, as per the only public documents we’ve seen so far, Loughry and Hill are caught with their pants down, so to speak, blatantly open with their illegal actions, but we keep hearing that the current city attorney allegedly “cleared” them, that the audit allegedly “cleared” them, and that they allegedly never got to file a complaint or get an appeal, just like all the others that they denied having the process.

Okay, there is a pattern here. My master’s degree training in behavior disorders teaches to watch for the patterns. Now that the pattern is established, what is the City’s process for filing charges-complaints-and getting an appeal so that each and every employee, past-present-future, receives the same legal rights?

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MzR 2 years, 8 months ago

Blood thirsty posters! It’s very telling that “thinkaboutit,” “proudofourcity,” and “jayhawk83,” plus a few others, sound like they could easily be employees or even maybe supervisors with the city. Have gone through all their posts again, and they give their opinions and expect us to take their word for it with nothing to back it up--no legal documents to prove their opinions are correct, but plenty of threats, insults, intimidation, and incendiary remarks made by these posters to bully the others on this forum who are trying to refer to what facts and legal documents are available.

Agree with LR, and minus the hateful-sounding jabs from the others, LR does have very simple concepts to consider.

Aside from everything else, two of the current situations are very similar, in that Mr. Loughry and the former police officer were denied an appeal process after being fired. Why?

It also appears they both may have been fired incorrectly by not following proper city procedures. Why?

The 3 above posters are so adamant that Loughry’s termination and appeal process was not followed correctly, yet are so quick to judge and insult the former police officer’s claim that’s asking for the same treatment. Why?

Agree with LR, it is ironic that Loughry apparently denied the former police officer’s request for an appeal process, yet he feels he was entitled to have the city council follow the regular process for his appeal. Why?

The 3 posters are okay with Loughry having a lawsuit about not getting an appeal, but they’re not okay with the former police officer trying to have the same legal rights. Why?

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jayhawk83 2 years, 8 months ago

Oh yes, and the documents found on the cityofbasehor.info are the Bible. So truthful, that the authorities haven't acted on anything regarding them. Has anyone told you that you have quite the dramatic streak in your writing? It's rather entertaining. Blood thirsty? Lol! Did Cory have a contract like Loughry which outlined an appeal process before removal from position? I would imagine he didn't. Most jobs don't have such a process unless drafted at hiring or thereafter. It's call right to work; most people fall under it. You would be surprised what you can be fired for. Insubordination is a big one, but other smaller infractions can spur the same outcome. I'd imagine there is a bit of disparity between the protections each man would be entitled to depending on the type of employment contract, if any, Cory had. I think we can agree that employees should be protected, but there is an extent to those rights. Is there something in the file of this police officer that isn't evident yet? Once again, we will see how these lawsuits play out. When did Cory file his? I'd imagine the ball will start rolling either way with that claim. There isn't much time left before Loughry's claim begins moving forward, either.

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

Thinkaboutit(anonymous) says…

In his claim he mentions multiple incidents when he disagrees with supervisors and later angers them. I can assure you that I do not work for the city or even in the city of basehor.

March 23, 2012 at 8:20 p.m

LR(anonymous) says…

"serious problem with authorty...questioned authority multiple times...disagrees with supervisors and later angers them..."

Have to agree to disagree with you. Counted the incidents in the claim - officer chose to disobey an unlawful order almost 30 times (can provide the brief list upon request, or you can just read the Claim yourself and count them)

He, and all other law enforcement officers and military service personnel have the right, legally and morally, to disobey an unlawful order and not feel guilty about it.

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StandforSomething 2 years, 8 months ago

Thinkaboutit(anonymous) says…

I'm done debating with you. You clearly think you are too smart for everone here and refuse to give it up. I do hope the claims are dismissed! I stand by my local police and always will. I have had multiple contacts with officer Cory while he was on duty and do not think he was a good officer.(and no he never wrote me a ticket or charged me with anything) I will not miss him as an officer. That's my opinion that's all! No facts, law, or "masters degree"... Just my opinion that will not change!

March 24, 2012 at 10:49 a.m.

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StandforSomething 2 years, 8 months ago

Once Loughry's contract was approved by city council, an unlawful order was given to change the contract without their knowledge or approval. And even though there is no proof, word here on this forum is that the current city attorney cleared this unlawful order as being lawful.

"boots" said it herself, before asking for her posting to be removed, it was "okay" to have unloaded shotguns in the police cars because all she had to do was go the Chief or Lt. and get the key to the whatever-she-called the ammo cabinet because "he lives right here in town." All the Chief had to do was fake surprise that all the shotguns were unloaded, hand over the key to the officer who reported it, and get them re-loaded. How uncomplicated and stress-free is that?

The most outrageous one in the Claim is the Chief checking to see WHO was handling the Basehor victim's call about identity theft with his Social Security card and stolen money from his bank account (it does not say the officer went to the Chief), and the Chief having an abusive temper tantrum towards the officer while giving the unlawful order to put it on a non-crime form because his opinion is that it was not a crime that the Basehor victim called in about. Then the Lt. admits he has to go behind the Chief's back to investigate crimes all the time because the Chief doesn't want to deal with it, stating further that the county attorney is backed-up to 2008 with unsolved crimes.

If that is their attitude, the Chief gives an unlawful order to put a genuine crime onto a non-crime form to be filed away, threatening an officer for using the correct crime form in the first place, then the Lt. threatening the same officer for using the incorrect crime form, both no-win situations for all including the victim of the crime, what kind of town do we really have?

Forget about the "Loughry Tribe" vs. the "Tin Foil Hat Tribe." Those of us not in either tribe want bona fide change this time. Who are the actual puppet masters pulling the strings for the puppets in City Hall? They seem to know they can give unlawful orders and get away with it since that seems to be the standard way of getting rid of people down there, just like it was an unlawful order from somebody "higher up" to fire the HR clerk for handling a work complaint, as one more example.

Stand by your opinion, and those of us who are reality-based will stand by ours. In reference to the owner of the current Claim, we saw nothing wrong with the way Officer Cory did his job. There has to have been many other examples of unlawful orders in no-win situations between 2007 and 2010 that the Officer tried to appease for the Chief and Lt., et. al., long before the Officer got fed up and went to HR for help, which is where the Claim starts from, but when the unlawful orders affected either the public or the other officers, he obviously chose to take a stand and got H*** for doing it. Maybe it's you who needs to re--"think-about-it."

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LR 2 years, 8 months ago

Couldn't have said it better myself. Tries to help the Basehor victim, and loses his job over it. We had no problem with Officer Cory either, he was great.

Since that was back in 2010, did the Basehor victim ever get any help with his stolen card and stolen money from his bank account, or is his case still sitting on the county attorney's desk--maybe the "back log" of cases is because the Lt. is working on them behind the Chief's back while the Chief keeps putting them in the wrong, non-crime file?

And we're wanting to attract a grocery store and other businesses to Basehor with City Hall believing it is okay to break the law themselves and refusing to deal with crimes when Basehor residents call in for help??!! And Basehor has people who actually believe it's okay with all this?

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erik 2 years, 8 months ago

This truly cracks me up!!! You all haven't got a clue what you are talking about when it come to the P.D.

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ProudOfOurCity 2 years, 8 months ago

I truly wish that LR and Basehordream would pack up and leave town. Please stop posting short stories......................my Lord you are boring. Have you looked up bloviating yet?

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