Archive for Tuesday, February 26, 2013

Breuer, Box win primary

Don Broksieck casts his vote in the Basehor mayoral primary Tuesday morning.

Don Broksieck casts his vote in the Basehor mayoral primary Tuesday morning.

February 26, 2013, 8:08 p.m.

Updated: February 26, 2013, 8:27 p.m.

Mayoral candidates David K. Breuer and Fred Box will move on to April’s general election after winning in the primary Tuesday.

With 194 votes (68 percent) Breuer earned the most votes. Box came in a distant second with 44 votes (15 percent).

Alan Townsend had 28 votes (10 percent), and Scott Kendrick had 20 votes (7 percent).

Breuer said he’s happy to move on to the general election and hopes for a better forecast April 2.

“It’s unfortunate we had this terrible snow,” he said. “I’m hoping for better weather so more people can get out.”

Fred Box said he’s excited for a chance to move on to the next step.

“It’s a good opportunity to see if we can move ahead with Basehor,” he said.

In total, 286 citizens voted in the primary.

Comments

ClarkKent 1 year, 8 months ago

Congratulations to both Breuer and Box and I'm looking forward to casting my vote in April. I hope for the City of Basehor we see the same results in April.

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jarhead 1 year, 8 months ago

Over three thousand registered voters and this is all we get.

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armystrong 1 year, 8 months ago

Yep..probably only 10 or 12 actual votes and the rest were most likely friends and family. Roughly translated the bigger your family, business associates and friend you have a much easier chance of being elected. Pretty sad isn't it! Not talking bad about any particular person it's just sad that people don't vote for the character and qualities of a person. Will always be a small minded town so long as people don't get involved. This also open the door to having disreputable individuals represent our town. This is our town people get to know the candidate and vote for the person that best represents your political views and more importantly your values! Thanks

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TinyOne 1 year, 8 months ago

There would have been more people out to vote had we not had the snowstorm we had. I couldn't get out to vote.

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becky 1 year, 8 months ago

I waited, and waited for the Basehor snow plow to come down my street, but never did come. I waited till 4:00 o'clock. I had my neighbor drive me up to vote. We drove around the town, streets were not clean, A car could not get around on the side streets. WHERE WAS THE STREET CREWS. Out at falcon Lake, cleaning the streets, 2 trucks were there cleaning the streets, but not the Basehor streets. Who cares that the in town peoples cant's get to the polls to vote. Where was the other 2 city trucks cleaning streets , The city crews did a better job of removing snow last thursday then Tuesday, did it have anything to do with the election Day. BASEHOR CITZENS CALL CITY HALL ABOUT THE STREETS 913-724-1370 They came down my street at 8"00 o'clock last night. The snow quit around 10:00 o'clock that morning. Thanks

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jayhawk83 1 year, 8 months ago

I live in Falcon Lakes, and I can tell you that the plows didn't arrive in my neighborhood until about four thirty. The last time, we weren't cleared until almost ten at night. You have to realize the primary access roads are first to be cleared; the roads we traveled to go vote were clean. The city can only do so much in a certain time frame with the resources they have, and the plow drivers work their butts off so you can complain that your street wasn't cleared soon enough. We have had two major storms in less than a week--not a political vendetta.

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johninbasehor 1 year, 8 months ago

Becky

Falcon Lakes IS part of Basehor, and there are quite a few tax dollars that Falcon Lakes residents and other neighborhoods pay to entitle them to reasonable snow removal after a storm. You can complain all you want as usual, but I think the public works department has done quite an excellent job with the assets they have in cleaning all our streets.

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armystrong 1 year, 8 months ago

I have to agree with you mine didn't come till right around 6 o'clock or possibly even later I just braved it. I almost got stuck twice but darn it I made it. It's funny talking about traffic area when most of the houses are in the center of town off of 155th Street those should have been cleared quickly and it's funny that even City Hall wasn't clear it out till almost 7 o'clock or later. In all fairness this was one of the better years they actually got to the streets in Somewhat of a reasonable manner.

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TinyOne 1 year, 8 months ago

FYI - Falcon Lakes IS in Basehor.

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Alantownsend 1 year, 8 months ago

I would like to thank the people who voted for me. Alan Townsend

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eugenestoner 1 year, 8 months ago

Someone needs a lesson in simple physics. The snow last week was dry and light due to the temperature being well under freezing.. Yesterday the snow was wet and heavy because the temp was higher. Wet, heavy snow is more difficult to push. It takes longer, even with machines. I can attest to that fact as I shoveled my driveway on both occasions and my back is telling me that yesterday there was much more work involved. I watched several plow trucks in action yesterday and I could see the difficulty they were having. I live in Basehor, not the evil :) Falcon Lakes, and my wife and I walked to the church to vote because our street was not plowed either. Man living in America is tough, but I wouldn't want to be anywhere else. BTW, Mayor Breuer and our street crews are to be commended for the quality of their work. Please call city hall and tell them.

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armystrong 1 year, 8 months ago

It's kind of sad with all the political Bologna going on right now that people on here can only think to argue about snow removal and its grand conspiracies or brag about how much more I guess in Taxs they pay then the rest of us living in near 200,000 dollar houses. Main roads 155th, Leavenworth, parallel, State Avenue and the majority of the houses are located centrally within a 5 mile radius of town hall. What's so hard about having a North plow (Falcon Lakes) that works South and a center plow that works Leavenworth road to parallel and a South plow that works North. Can' t we all just get alongand put our petty problems behind us. It always sounds personal on these blogs so it's obvious very few people get on here to express there actual unbiased reviews. This is why I stopped many years ago.

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jarhead 1 year, 8 months ago

The city needs to budget more money for the public works dept that's why its called public works they work for us instead of big budgets for the police how about a couple more employees and more equipment for the dept but I guess when only 264 people vote who cares this town OS going down the toilet just like this country.

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armystrong 1 year, 8 months ago

I can't imagine the police budget is that much bigger BUT I agree 100 percent with you Jarhead. People need to start being involved.

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Thinkaboutit 1 year, 8 months ago

If you dont like our city or country, pack up and leave! The city is growing and developing after a few years of finacial downfalls. I am proud to live here. I am proud to know people in ALL areas of our city. Best of luck to both candidates. I know both well and either way our city is on the right track!

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Mr_CorruptionMonkey 1 year, 8 months ago

People in Basehor Kansas need to get out more. Maybe there are better options out there, maybe your cousin isnt the best choice.

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eric88 1 year, 8 months ago

I wanted to vote for Corruption Monkey. Since I could not find Mr. Monkey on the ballot, I had to settle for voting for Mr. Breuer even though I think he might be my seventh cousin.

Eric Brandenburg

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johninbasehor 1 year, 8 months ago

March 1

I see where the city's insurance carrier took an 18% increase in the city's liability premium for the coming year. I have to wonder how much of that increase can directly be attributed to Fred Box voting to terminate the former city manager causing the city's insurance company to pay off a $200,000 wrongful termination lawsuit because Box disregarded the advice of the city attorney against that termination.

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TinyOne 1 year, 8 months ago

Gosh, I love small town politics... It brings out the bitterness in people, doesn't it? People get their panties in a wad so easily around here!

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ClarkKent 1 year, 8 months ago

"Better options out there?" Really, like a candidate who stated he doesn't know enough about being Mayor to answer that question? Or Fred Box who quit? My vote goes to our current Mayor, who has finally put an end to all the nonsense that was going on prior!

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tigerpaws 1 year, 8 months ago

johninbasehor: You are correct, Box did in fact vote to terminate Mr. Loughry. But also remember that former Mayor Hill followed the advice of the city attorney and issued the check for $50,000 that was due to Mr. Loughry. Mayor David Breuer (at that time Councilman David Breuer) voted with all of the other council members to stop the payment to Mr. Loughry (against the advice of the city attorney), Mayor Hill was recalled for following the advice of the city attorney and the city was sued because of the unamimous vote of council to block the payment. Mr. Breuer and Mr. Box were part of the vote that caused the lawsuit. Please put the blame where it's due. Breuer was at fault as was Box.

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johninbasehor 1 year, 8 months ago

Breuer did not vote to fire the city manager in the first place if you will remember. Breuer was upset and left the meeting after the firing which was with two no votes, Breuer and Miles. The rest of your council, Box, Iris, and Dennis were the three that voted for the firing in the first place against advice of their own city attorney.

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armystrong 1 year, 8 months ago

Some of us admire professionalism, self control and discipline in our leaders. I have not been in the city very long but I have been here long enough to know that Miles and Breuer have failed in all 3 categories at times. I'm a little sick of the whole Loughry support group.The guy screwed up royally and at least 3 of the 5 City Council members took some kinda action rather than ignoring the problem. I have read most of the articles and I don't agree with how he was terminated or the fact that Dennis was calling him a criminal but I also in no way condone his misappropriation of funds. I will NOT support people that throw temper fits, throw things and walk out of City Hall. Character should count for something! By the way I've met both Box and Breuer and admire both of them for different reasons outside of city politics. Put simply there's other issues besides Loughry. Several of you say you want to move on but yet if anybody disagrees with you they are told to leave town or get over it. I don't mind anyone bringing up Marks termination but for God sakes there's other things to talk about.

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tigerpaws 1 year, 8 months ago

ClarkKent: Mayor Breuer (former Councilman Breuer) was in fact a part of the nonsense that was going on prior.

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johninbasehor 1 year, 8 months ago

No, Councilman Breuer was not part of the nonsense. Don't you remember when Box, Iris, and Dennis tried for hours to vote Box in as President of the Council. Dennis and Iris had been impeached from office. That little faction of three, tried to put Box in as Council President before midnight, so Box would become Mayor. That was part of the nonsense that Channel 5 witnessed, and Major Hill would not allow impeached members of the council to put their own Box in as Mayor. He said: "Wait for the new council". It was a fiasco, you should have been there. Box, Iris, and Dennis also are the ones that voted 3 to 2 to accept property with buildings containing asbestos for the site of the new city hall. The Asbestos and building removal would have cost over a hundred thousand dollars of city tax dollars. More good judgement, right?

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tigerpaws 1 year, 8 months ago

You are correct, David Breuer did not vote to terminate Loughry. Box, Mertz and Dysert did. After the termination former Mayor Hill, following the city attorneys advice, issued a check to pay Loughry money due to him. At that time the entire council (including Breuer) voted to stop the payment (against the city attorneys advice). Box was wrong for his vote to terminate Loughry and Breuer was wrong for his vote to go against the advice of the city attorney and voting to stop Mayor Hill from doing the right thing, which later led to Mayor Hill's recall. Yes indeed Box and Breuer both had a part in the fiasco. I was at the meeting when Mayor Hill once again protected the city from wrongdoing by a few members of the city. As I look back the council should have followed Mayor Hill's leadership and the city would never have gone through the last year. I do not believe that Box or Breuer should lead the city. A city should not be ran by individuals who make mistakes and use poor judgement as both of them have done in the past. Both men had a hand in costing the city embarrassment and dollars. I would have more respect for both of them if they would man up and admit their mistakes and clear the names of people who were disrespected and damaged. This city should be led by a man or woman who will do the right thing for the citizens and follow the advice of the experts who are hired to give advice.

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StandforSomething 1 year, 8 months ago

Hey! This is really great! Recently we had a so-called ""election"" and how convenient that it was held on a day when all the schools and businesses were closed and the media was telling us to stay home. It would have been better to postpone the election until the weather had cleared up. Unfortunately, very few were able to make it to the polling places.

The main idea of having an election is to hand the winner a ""mandate."" The following event could hardly be called a ""mandate;"" if only 280+ people [allegedly] came out to vote, out of 3000 registered voters who actually voted, so, where's your mandate? The 280+ who allegedly voted only served as enablers for those who have been abusing the rest of us for these many years. Therefore, the status quo blame game has been allowed to continue without interruption according to the people who have written comments above and below. What we need is a word which describes what has been going on at City Hall.

Here is a standard definition of the word, HUBRIS, which means extreme pride or arrogance. Hubris often indicates a loss of contact with reality and an overestimation of one's own competence or capabilities, especially when the person who is exhibiting it is in a position of power. According to the ancient Greek meaning of the word, it referred to actions that ""shamed"" and ""humiliated"" the victim[s] all for the pleasure or gratification of the abuser. Doesn't that pretty much describe what's been going on down at City Hall?

The bottom line is that this is exactly how all corrupt governments put themselves out of business. How lucky we citizens of Basehor are! All of us have ringside seats and will be able to witness the fall of Rome/Basehor. Popcorn anyone? Usually one would have to pay big bucks for entertainment this good.

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StandforSomething 1 year, 8 months ago

How can you in good conscience belittle and berate former council members who [allegedly] made a mistake in trying to do what was right for the city, but continue to ignore what the chief and current city administrator, and former city administrator, etc. have done to a former officer and many other victims? As far as those who have posted regarding this article: Lowry's lawsuit named Mertz as a defendant, the same way that Martley is named as the defendant in a current federal lawsuit. Martley has been the chief and has been made acting city administrator, fulfilling these two assignments concurrently. [By the way, doesn't this violate the separation of powers doctrines enumerated in both state and federal constitutions?]

Following the same logic presented in the many comments posted during the past year, the defendant Mertz should have remained as city council member and then should have been placed in the position of acting as mayor or city administrator by fulfilling those two assignments concurrently as well. [According to the recall, Mertz was found guilty as charged.] While trying to prevent a crime, but having been disciplined for it with a recall, the former city Council members' actions pale in comparison to what is being allowed to continue unchecked for the past year and a half. Judges don't usually kick lawsuits up to the federal level without substantive evidence which the city is choosing to ignore. Like George Orwell says (who was the author of 'Animal Farm'), "Some pigs are more equal than others."

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Thinkaboutit 1 year, 8 months ago

In one post you complain that not everybody had a chance to vote. I don't argue that the voting date was a mess that NOBODY could predict. However, your very next post you complain about a vote (recalling Mertz) that took place in good weather and the majority spoke loud in clear.? Just because a vote doesn't go the way you want, that doesn't mean it was improper or unjustified. If you're looking for a good seat to watch what you call the collapse of a city, I reccomend sitting in another city while we continue to push through tough times.

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armystrong 1 year, 8 months ago

Thinkaboutit....I can't believe that's all you got out of the above two posts. I've read over it twice now and I'm pretty sure that's not what they were saying. As a point of fact they knew a week and a half before the storm hit that it was going to be bad. ( But a good point was made a while back by saying people could have mailed in their ballots. )

I have read several post recently where you tell people to just get out of the city. Unfortunately that's not how problems are solved. It's pretty sad that someone just makes a Comparison and you yet again resort to slamming them and obviously are choosing to ignore the point they made. ( I don't necessarily agree with the first post but we all have every right to express our Views. ) I have served my country for many years so that people can have the right to voice their opinions, yes even you. I would only suggest that a discussion or pointing out facts is the only way to lead to change, change someone's Outlook, perspective or to just have a professional discussion.

I would suggest you reread the above posts because I certainly got a hell of a lot more out of it then what you just commented on. With regards to the second post by standforsomething you actually made their point quite brilliantly as they were just using Mertz as an example. You completely by-past the point they were making and went right into attacking them. Why?

There are several of you on here that just seem to want to talk about Mertz and are old city administrator. I always try to stay neutral and educate myself on both sides of any issue. It unfortunately looks like you have a vested interest in what happened in the past and don't care about anything else because your responses usually completely circumvent the point that is being made. I certainly hope I am mistaken. I look forward to what hopefully will be a professional response to my observations.

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Mr_CorruptionMonkey 1 year, 8 months ago

I looked all of this up on Google.
Why do people elect "Contractors" in the first place? What a joke!! Let's see, we can use the example of Dean Oroke as a County Commissioner and a case study. He gets elected by claiming somehow he's good for the people, because he built a few houses? Gets into office, proceeds to fall in love with another county employee, uses the Sheriff to "keep the peace", then leaves office, but wait, alas, in the meantime he gains a piece of property that he claims is immune to the very laws created to protect the people and then goes back to the County Commission to get the sale of this property approved so it can bring 14 jobs? He really only wanted the money to finance his own delusional view of himself. Please, give us a break!! He obviously had some inside dealings there. Contractors are notorious for doing things under the table and not paying their fair share of taxes. People elected Dean Oroke because he was good at convincing people he may know something, ....thats funny, he didnt have the will nor the intellect to go to college yet he somehow magically knows the law? How is this possible? Osmosis maybe? Without an engineering degree or even a Commmunity College class on Civics, he mysteriously knows something? HAHAHA. Maybe he took an online course and graduated with a degree in rocket surgery too?

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LR 1 year, 8 months ago

Yeah, like lowering job requirements for city administrator because there's "not enough applications" yet for a non-posted job! LOL!!

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Mr_CorruptionMonkey 1 year, 8 months ago

I never even heard of the guy (Dean Oroke) and don't really care, but, it seems to me that the people should do a better job of researching their candidates before forking over millions in their hard earned taxes to college dropouts and people that only want to project an image. Contractors always want growth and Contractors have no idea of how to grow, only that building houses must be good. However, careers for the citizens (not jobs) , education, sustainable growth, INFRASTRUCTURE, all of these provide growth. An educated workforce and the ability to get around is what drives an economic engine. When small town politics clash with people from the outside, the result is often a decrease in growth. People have better places to spend their money, without all the drama queens and family infighting. The "outsiders" do not care and would be happy to move along. The economic engine of Leavenworth County is a Federal installation and a bankrupt mall. Budget cuts at the Federal level and a Bankrupt Wall Street firm are not solid foundations to count on. Growth is possible, but electing based on relatives and who controls the snowplow is just absurd. I have lived all over this country. The first thing I noticed about Kansas was my tax rate skyrocketed for roads that resemble the 1800's. People seem to build large, box type houses on terrible roads, have some pride people, pave those roads and get out of the 1800s! A one cent tax would pave every road in a county, by the time you factor in all the services you do not get already, I doubt you would notice. Maybe people like dirt roads here, but just saying. Infrastructure, education and forward thinking create growth. If you hate growth, then shut up, drive back to your house on that dirty road, sit in the basement and watch TV. Don't be afraid of the big bad outside world. If cheap houses are the only draw for NE Kansas, then you better get your roads fixed and stop using the outsiders as some sort of cash cow to fuel these obvious monopolies. The outsiders are already tired of the he married she married he divorced she divorced blah blah blah blah blah!

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LR 1 year, 8 months ago

Armystrong> "...have read several posts recently where you tell people to just get out of the city. " Yeah, Thinkaboutit is beating the drum once again with the fake/pseudo patriotism love-it-or-leave-it attitude because "they" could be part of the "more equal than others" mob, right??

Armystrong> "...they were just using Mertz as an example." Another good point and totally agree. StandforSomething used a good analogy, BUT "they" who have "vested interests," or otherwise politically-connected, are more concerned with the 3 former city council members ALLEGEDLY causing a Loughry lawsuit by giving them a quick recall as their response in order to do the "Potomac-Two-Step" which consists of having lesser subordinates go down as the "scape goat" or "sacrificial lamb" (depending on which illusion is being promoted) to create the appearance that the problem has been cleaned up, and meanwhile, the actual perps remain unscathed (taking turns doing this as a fun indoor sport), and yet "they" have no qualms and totally ignore staff members still employed with rewarded pay raises [allegedly] causing a federal lawsuit with what appears to be legit evidence for horrific, questionable behaviors against other personnel, past and present, as well as residents!!

Yeah, "hubris" describes this whole nasty situation, including forced gag orders on the abused victims to prevent further exposure of the bigger picture, create "shame" on their victims for their own pleasure and gratification, while avoiding any consequences, making it compulsive/obsessive behavior that won't go away no matter how many "scape goats" go down!! Kudos to those who are wisely using their discernment and exercising their God-given rights before a duressed gag order (compulsion by threat or force) is put in place in order to buy them off/shut them up, since abuse thrives on secrecy and silence!!

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johninbasehor 1 year, 8 months ago

Notice the same cheerleaders posting that were here cheering on Mertz, Dysart and Box from the last impeached council. People that read this blog regularly know very well who they are. Some of the usernames are changed but the message is the same. The same 4 or 5 people with multiple user names complaining about poor snow removal, a fired police officer, and the need to hire another $100,000 body at city hall, which it looks like we do not need. Finally we have a Council and Mayor together that aren't in the news every day, but the cheerleaders of the former council want their group back in control.

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armystrong 1 year, 8 months ago

Wow, if this is not a prime example of the pot calling the kettle black. I'm not going to add much because your post speaks volumes about your character. Johninbasehor and thinkaboutit your thoughtlessness and lack of originality is very similar. God help us all if people like you are running the city. It is painfully obvious that you are not interested in discussing current or relevant issues facing the city. You only want to play politics and my sides better than your side Bologna. By the way the only people on this post that sounds similar is you two. It would be nice to see more people on here that care about the city where our children and grandchildren are growing up.

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Thinkaboutit 1 year, 8 months ago

I see approximately 6-10 people here complaining about our current mayor and/or council. However, I only seen 4 names on the primary mayor ballot and we have 2 council members running unopposed! If you want change soooo bad, make changes. If you just like to complain, keep doing what you are doing on a website that has absolutely no connection to the city of Basehor's government. You can log on here and use big words and famous quotes that make you feel good about yourself. Until any of the complainers are on a mayor ballot or council ballot I will have a hard time taking them serious. Good luck Basehor!

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armystrong 1 year, 8 months ago

Johninbasehor joined Sept. 20 2011 155 posts and thinkaboutit joined Sept.23 2011 84 posts. Are you currently on or running for city Council? ( Your words ) thinkaboutit ""If you just like to complain, keep doing what you are doing on a website that has absolutely no connection to the city of Basehor's government. You can log on here and use big words and famous quotes that make you feel good about yourself. Until any of the complainers are on a mayor ballot or council ballot I will have a hard time taking them serious. Good luck Basehor!""

You should be a comedian or maybe stop looking in the mirror when you write something. Yes if you and your like minded cohorts are on the council with your one sided fixations and single minded rhetoric it will take more then luck to help our town. Just a observation!

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Thinkaboutit 1 year, 8 months ago

No I am not on council, nor do I work for the city in any way. However, I do support Basehor as much as possible. When I thought something was wrong I voted to correct it. (the recall) I am happy with our council as it is and I am happy with Box or Bruer as mayor. It just looks to me that some people will never be happy unless they are complaining. I have got into this "do you work for the city" guessing game before with people on this site. That is why I didn't comment for awhile. Apparently we are back to that. So I will see you all at the polls if you even get away from your keyboard and stop complaining long enough to vote! God Bless

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armystrong 1 year, 8 months ago

I don't care if you work for the city, have worked for the city, or will work for the city. Obviously the point of my above comment was to try and get you to stop pointing fingers and start having a conversation. Example, "I have got into this guessing game before" isn't this the same thing that you're doing to people accusing them of being 1 of 5 people or telling them to get out of town. You seem very intelligent it seems like you could allow people to vent on here. In your own words "a website with no connection to the city" you 2 are probably on here for the same reason that the other people get on here. Stop bickering and pointing fingers and add to the conversation. CC

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Mr_CorruptionMonkey 1 year, 8 months ago

A Cautionary tale indeed. Basehor claims it will grow. Major factors in this growth: 1. Federal Government Spending (will be cut, no question) 2. Legends Mall (bankrupt, defaulted on debt) 3. Cerner (EMR software and training) The fact that a contractor will control the city of Basehor would be ok if there was sustainable growth. This seems problematic at best. Recently, articles have been written and numbers provided for a housing increase in the area. This may or may not come to pass as there are several problems with this assumption. A contractor already has a network of buddies that of course would benefit greatly from any building, this short list may be very short (say relatives) or it may be very long, (people that the mayor went to High School with, no college, keep that in mind). Construction works this way: A contractor borrows a large sum of money, then digs a few holes, throws up a house and then hopes that a city slicker is willing to commit to a 30 year relationship with this house, sometimes this works, sometimes it does not. Fact being, the outsider must be convinced to buy so that the contractor can skim some profit, the Contractor is a house pimp at this point. The problem with growth lies on Cerner, this is a company that makes software for EMR packages. There are over 200 of these companies, some are giants. Anyone in healthcare knows that companies rise and fall everyday, are bought, sold, or outsourced and some fall behind and become irrelevant. They are outsourced to keep competitive.
Be careful who you elect as Mayor as maybe only a few will benefit, this said, the outsiders that Basehor is depending on to fork over millions, may just be outsourced or moved to Wisconsin, or Florida or California or India or Thailand (you get the point). I think the first action of this Mayor should be less concerned about the council and more concerned about the deciding factor which is Cerner and their 10 year plan. Yes they are expanding, so did Bayer (bought by Siemens), and Beckman-Coulter (merged and now falling behind to companies like Sysmex), and a 100 others. Just be careful going all in on the housing market, that is what bankrupts cities quickly. One big move and poof, the outsiders are gone.

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tigerpaws 1 year, 8 months ago

You are correct, David Breuer did not vote to terminate Loughry. Box, Mertz and Dysert did. And then after the termination former Mayor Hill, following the city attorneys advice, issued a check to pay Loughry money due to him. At that time the entire council (INCLUDING BREUER) voted to stop the payment (against the city attorneys advice). THEN the lawsuit began. Box was wrong for his vote to terminate Loughry and Breuer was WRONG for his vote to go against the advice of the city attorney and voting to stop Mayor Hill from doing the right thing, which then caused Mayor Hill's recall. Yes indeed Box and Breuer both had a part in the fiasco. I was at the meeting when Mayor Hill once again protected the city from wrongdoing by a few members of the city. As I look back the council should have followed Mayor Hill's leadership and the city would never have gone through the last year. I do not believe that Box or Breuer should lead the city. A city should not be ran by individuals who make mistakes and use poor judgement as both of them have done in the past. Both men had a hand in costing the city embarrassment and dollars. I would have more respect for both of them if they would man up and admit their mistakes and clear the names of people who were disrespected and damaged. This city should be led by a man or woman who will do the right thing for the citizens and follow the advice of the experts who are hired to give advice.

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armystrong 1 year, 8 months ago

Question where was the City Attorney's advice about not altering a lawful contract without a majority signatures as required in most businesses and government entities. Loughry's termination was wrong, altering a contract unlawfully was wrong, issuing a check without the city council approval again wrong. Realistically the check issuing had nothing to do with the the lawsuit it was for wrongful termination and defamation of character.

As I stated earlier to thinkaboutit and Johninbasehor these blogs can be helpful but we have to stop the unnecessary finger pointing and start talking about current and relevant issues. There are other things going on right now that you guys are choosing to ignore in order to rehash things that have been settled.

I wasn't going to mention this but my family was out walking a while back and I talk to a police officer patrolling our subdivision. The officer informed me that they lost 3 more officers even after the pay raise. Common sense would tell you that there's other issues besides pay going on with our city.I don't have any other facts that I can provide, but it certainly is worth noting. That's a pretty high turnover rate and yes I'm adamantly against a police chief acting as city administrator. Both jobs require 100 percent attention to be given to them. The obvious questions we should be talking about is why the high turnover, why are we allowing an obvious conflict of interest to continue for over a year and of course who is going to do the best job for the city as a mayor. I'm sure there's several other things that should also be discussed and maybe brought up at a Council meeting. I unfortunately work weekday mostly late evening. I will tell you what I always tould my squad "pointing fingers and creating sides is very counterproductive"! Submitted With Respect. Thanks ( Put our town first )

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jayhawk83 1 year, 7 months ago

Alterations of any contract are completely legal when signed/initialed by the parties involved. This was done, with the mayor acting on behalf of the city. The issue of contract alteration is ridiculous; the council seems to want to recant on the benefits negotiated with Loughry because of an attorney's oversight. I am amazed at how people continually revisit so-called unlawful acts by Loughry and Hill when both were investigated thoroughly by officials and found to have done nothing wrong, including anything beyond the contract modification to grant him the benefits agreed upon by the council in the first place.

I believe a reason Basehor has had trouble finding a suitable city administrator is because most candidates know what has happened in this town. Anyone who would be worthy may not even consider it due to fear of termination and defamation just like Loughry experienced. Who would want to put themselves and their family in such a volatile situation?

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armystrong 1 year, 7 months ago

Not that you care but here is a legal definition of contract modification. Just for the record I've said repeatedly that I don't care for how he was terminated or that it was right. But 2 wrongs don't make a right. If you are not willing 2 see all sides of the issue then you obviously have something at stake. Bottom line is they all screwed up.

Attorney information page Ks. Law "When negotiating a contract, or after a contract has been signed, you may have reason to want to modify, or change, the contract. In general, contract modifications ((((require the agreement of all parties to the contract.))) This article will discuss how to modify a contract before it's been signed and after it's been signed.

A contract is legally binding agreement between two or more parties. The average adult encounters contracts many times in the course of his or her life. In many instances, these contracts may be so routine or commonplace you may not even recognize that you are a party to a contract. For example, each time you charge something to a credit card, the sales slip you sign is a contract. In other instances, a contract may be much more formal, involve significant negotiation and require an attorney to review it before it is signed. An example of this type of contract would be the contract you sign when buying a home.

I never said it was illegal or someone should go to jail. I just simply said it was wrong what they did. If you can argue with a legal definition more power to you. ( Same old record )

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tigerpaws 1 year, 7 months ago

Jayhawk83: Well said! Loughry and Hill did nothing wrong no matter how many times some want to spin the story. Former Mayor Hill tried to protect the city and for this the citizens recalled him. I am just sorry we had to lose former Mayor Hill because of the retailiation on the part of the Mertz, Dysart recall.

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armystrong 1 year, 7 months ago

OMG... Do you guys even bother to read what other people write? Let alone what you're writing or how you're spinning it. Honestly, the sad thing is I used to be in agreement with most of you guys pro Hillers. I'm starting to think I might have been mistaken. It should be about helping the city or protecting the city not about protecting your friends or families from something that happened and was settled a year ago.

I put a quote straight out of the legal guidelines. It's amazing that you can argue with that. I happen to still like Hill we would always have really good conversations. He is a incredibly bright man and cares about the city. This over-protectiveness is getting old though. There's nothing wrong with doing what you think is right and acting in the best interest of the city. Professional and honest men and women accept responsibility for their actions. This applies to everyone, I repeat everyone who was voted out in the recall. Thanks! CC

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jayhawk83 1 year, 7 months ago

I suggest you learn how to quote. And you completely ripped your third paragraph from the second paragraph of this site.

http://contracts.lawyers.com/contracts/Contract-Modification.html

Please learn to cite in the future. Once again, you are hung up on the who needs to sign the modification. The mayor acts in terms of the "employer", and Loughry is the "employee". The mayor is an agent of the parties involved. If this was not legal, why would the KBI (who would have knowledge of KS statute, as you "quoted" in your response), not have offered it as unlawful in their investigation?

Here is what I wonder about. "There is nothing wrong with doing what one thinks is right and acting in the best interests of the city." There is, when it in fact, hurts the city. The end result: an embarrassing lawsuit that cost the town a settlement and an apology. Professional and honest men DO accept responsibility for their actions. They also follow the advice of their legal council, and adhere to the guidelines set forth in an employment contract. None of this was followed by the council. Shannon Marcano advised against their swift judgement. I have yet to hear anyone voted out in the recall verbally recant their errors, or apologize for an embarrassing settlement. I can't expect an apology from Loughry or Hill, because as unbiased, state investigators put it, no wrongdoing was found on their part.

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johninbasehor 1 year, 7 months ago

Police and city employees having to look over their shoulders because of former council members in the Box, Mertz, Dysart, Washington faction followed them around like detectives of the Gestapo. If I or other people were looking for a job in this city under the old council, that would definitely undermine those efforts. Finally, we are not on the evening news every night, and I for one would like to keep it that way.

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armystrong 1 year, 7 months ago

John come on man you're smarter than that. (Fact) We have lost more police officers in the past year or two then we ever did in the previous years with that City Council you hate so much. No I am NOT a huge fan of the former City Council but I'm tired of the same old excuses. They are Gone! All of them! Almost.

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johninbasehor 1 year, 7 months ago

All police officers I know of have left for more money period. The last one left for more money working for the Federal Protection Service. It comes down to money and family benefits. All employees work to make money for their families and themselves. Small town pay does not match opportunities around us, but the closer the pay is to surrounding areas, the more officers will stay with our city.

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MzR 1 year, 7 months ago

JohninBasehor>> "Finally we have a Council and Mayor together that aren't in the news every day, but the cheerleaders of the former council want their group back in control." Never going to persuade your core belief, BUT we "cheerleaders" just happen to like it when an elected official does their job and catches another elected/or appointed official with their hand in the til. Of course, if all the elected officials are of the same mindset, turning a blind eye for a friend, then they won't be in the news, will they!

ThinkAboutIt>> "Until any of the complainers are on a mayor ballot or council ballot, I will have a hard time taking them serious." How sad for you that you only listen to politicians! No wonder you're frustrated and confused sounding.

ThinkAboutIt>> "Just because a vote doesn't go the way you want, that doesn't mean it was improper or unjustified." Truth, now apply it.

Jayhawk83>> "Anyone who would be worthy may not even consider it due to fear of termination and defamation just like Loughry experienced." Only if they don't want to get caught with their hand in the til.

Google this title>> GENERAL INFORMATION CONCERNING CITY MANAGERS AND CITY ADMINISTRATORS -- it's from the University of Tennessee's municipal training classes and handbook: "16. What role does a mayor or councilman have in a town employing a city manager/administrator?

"...A city manager generally serves in communities having a “weak mayor” form of government– where the position of mayor is largely ceremonial.

"Whether a city manager or a city administrator, THE TOWN'S ELECTED OFFICIALS REMAIN IN CONTROL of the city government and oversee the performance of the city manager/administrator.

Houston Chronical>>What Are the Duties of a City Administrator? -- "Big city governments with many employees might hire a manager, while rural communities with strong mayor-council governments look for a combination clerk and accountant to administer...".

Wikipedia>>"Mayor-Council Government" -- "...the mayor will appoint a chief administrative officer...(when) this officer is sometimes called a city manager, the manager is responsible only to the mayor in this variant."

Did Hill/Loughry try to do a "manager" thing by leaving out the city council in order to set a precedence of him answering only to the mayor instead of to the city council. By getting caught in their scheme, they squealed like stuck pigs, playing the victims.

Potential scenario - current mayor gets put back in on April 2nd, he "appoints" Martley as the "permanent" city administrator (longer it gets put off, the more "experience" he can claim, right?) Pearce gets put in as the new Chief, and waalah - the good ol' boys network, population grows a little more, just enough to drop the city council, and you've got a three-man-show running us and everything else. Could this be the hidden agenda down at City Hall? How sweet it is!!

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jayhawk83 1 year, 7 months ago

I take it that, you still believe Hill and Loughry misappropriated funds by your response to me. Fact is, once again, that both were cleared of any wrongdoing by the KBI. Just because you don't agree with their findings, doesn't mean they are wrong. I like your reference to the Houston Chronicle, too. We all want to see Basehor grow, which seems in line with hiring an administrator. But, many people cling to the small-town mentality, and they may prefer the rural route. Which will come out on top? I can tell you, bigger cities utilize a city administrator. Regarding your Tennessee municipal training classes and handbook, I agree, the council does oversee the administrator's performance. But, did the debunked council not give Loughry glowing marks in is annual performance review months before being fired? Sounds like the town needs to keep a better eye on the council...

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armystrong 1 year, 7 months ago

MzR.... That was a long road to travel to get to a really good point. Lol I think you're right they're setting Martley up for the job. There's no other logical explanation for not advertising the position. I don't buy for 1 second that people don't want the city administrator position because of what happened in the PAST! If that logic was to hold true then no one would want the Mayor position or the city council positions. Common sense!

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jayhawk83 1 year, 7 months ago

The positions of mayor and council member do not pose the same threat to one's future. Banking your entire livelihood and career on the careless actions of an ignorant council does pose a more significant threat to a prospective administrator than the other mentioned positions.

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armystrong 1 year, 7 months ago

I talked with a friend who lives in Tonganoxie. Last year he told us that they hired a city administrator. Something like 70 or 80 people applied for the position. You can't tell me that unemployed professionals are going to worry about a city administrator that couldn't properly handle his contract or a city council that terminated him incorrectly.

Good police officer don't just leave a city of 5000 people making almost as much as a new KCK officer ( according to the newspaper article the third highest in the area ) to be a security guard. I know several people who have worked at the fort as security guards and know guys that work as federal guards. FYI they don't offer benefits you have to pay for insurance out of your own pocket. Johninbasehor & jayhawk88------ you two might want to stop playing sides and start using a little common sense. You two always repeat the same stuff over and over again.

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