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Basehor officer still on duty after DUI arrest

March 27, 2013

A Basehor police officer who was arrested for a DUI on Oct. 5 is still on duty in the Basehor Police Department.

Officer Justin Self was off duty in Gardner when arrested. His court case was continued to April 9.

Police Chief Lloyd Martley said his department took appropriate administrative actions after Self’s arrest.

Although Self’s traffic case has yet to go to trial, Martley said the administrative aspects of the case have already been decided, namely whether Self’s license would be suspended or an ignition interlock device mandated, which would have made his employment with the department impossible.

Martley said his department had taken actions to reprimand Self, but he would not say what those actions were.

“We are satisfied that all obligations were met, and he is still employed,” Martley said.

Martley said Self would not comment on the incident.

Gary Steed, executive director of Kansas Commission on Peace Officers’ Standards and Training, said he could not comment on whether an officer would necessarily be dismissed for such an incident, without seeing the case.

The Sentinel was recently alerted to Self’s arrest by an anonymous tip.

Comments

Friend 1 year, 8 months ago

Really!! How long are we going to let city and government officials get away with things like this! This is a disgrace! This department gets rid of great officers who stand up for the truth and doing what’s right and they keep the ones like this with no repercussions! When are we as a society going to stand up and get officials who are honest and aren't always trying to work the system to their benefit! Ultimately it’s our safety and that of our kids along with our hard earned tax dollars that suffers from departments like this. When are we going to wake up and see what’s going on here!

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johninbasehor 1 year, 8 months ago

Friend writes: Really!! How long are we going to let city and government officials get away with things like this! This is a disgrace!

Let those without sin cast the first stone. We all make mistakes. Personally, IMO, one mistake of this nature does not deserve being fired. Everyone deserves a second chance. If this is a regular happening, that might be a different story, but all of us can't be lilly white. For those people that would cut the pay of the police or deny them a prevailing wage, and whom put their lives on the line every day they get into that patrol car, and complain about not arresting people when their is virtually no evidence or whitenesses of a particular crime, they are wrong in their views. This officer was not guilty of dishonesty, just poor judgement. Some in our community have it in for Chief Martley, and just love to drag up dirt every time they have an opportunity to make the Chief and the police department look bad.

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armystrong 1 year, 8 months ago

Johninbasehor: It disturbs us how hypocritical you are. By your own logic I should feel bad for voting on recalling the prior City Council members. I don't know what your connection is to the city, but it's obvious its skewed something terrible. It is possible you're the best example of the uneducated voter! "Those without sin cast the first stone." Holy God, you crack me up!

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johninbasehor 1 year, 8 months ago

armystrong wrote: Johninbasehor: It disturbs us how hypocritical you are.

Who is us? Washington's friends that are after the Chief because he told Washington to leave a council meeting or he would be arrested for disorderly conduct maybe?

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armystrong 1 year, 8 months ago

OMG, It's called my wife, and a couple of our neighbors! I have never met this Washington guy you keep bringing up over, and over, and over. You absolutely crack me,, oops I mean us ( the Washington gang ) up, it's to the point now that everything you write is a complete joke! Please get a different teleprompter for God sake! Now back on point, everyone needs to pay attention to what's actually going on and stop playing sides. This is not High School John!

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JimWashington 1 year, 8 months ago

Thanks, armystrong: I gave up having anything to do with Basehor politics after the recall. When 400 low information voters who had never previously voted in a Basehor City election turned out to vote against council members who were trying to unearth the ongoing corruption which has been a feature of Basehor politics for decades, I realized that there was no fixing stupid.

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armystrong 1 year, 8 months ago

I know it's Sad. I always thought Basehor would be home, but I will not rase my children in a place like this. Johninbasehor is definitely getting his way we just lost another neighbor very recently. This city needs help but no one seems to want to admit that. No one cares about anything or anybody, unless you're in the club like our former city administrator. It's amazing how many articles and follow up articles you get when the city wants your information out! Thank God the Sentinel actually printed something not edited or approved by the city! Well sir, glad to finally meet you especially since I'm apparently part of your gang. :-/

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MzR 1 year, 8 months ago

"Where there's smoke, there's fire." Article is not about the officer's "mistake," but about the Chief's apparent cover-up by his own admission in above quotes!

Just like an earlier posting about Lt. Pierce's "one-time mistake" of being caught with porn while at work, but got his job back just cuz it was only "soft" porn, and then hired by Basehor....just like "Friend" says - get rid of good officers (and many, many other good city employees!) and cover for the "one-time-mistake" people. "...have it in for Chief Martley, and just love to drag up dirt..." LOL! This about the guy who actually used real DIRT to create a bogus "just cause" to fire a former police officer!! LOL!!!!!

Good analogy with using their logic, "Armystrong!" And GREAT job well done, Basehor Sentinel, especially with calling the state commission guy!

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Paul 1 year, 8 months ago

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Paul 1 year, 8 months ago

FYI, I heard Mission Ks PD hires officers with a prior DUI.

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armystrong 1 year, 8 months ago

Paul: stated ..."Any other Department and he would have been fired. I think he is still on Duty because his Daddy is a Sergeant at the Mission Ks Police Department." //That's good information. I don't think we need a personal attack on this young man. I know a lot of officers, this is highly unusual especially if he's a new officer. ( ? )

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Stahl 1 year, 8 months ago

After looking over this and a few other cases with the BPD, my inclination is that BPD and the City Council need to get their business straight. Too much of this, to be frank, looks extremely questionable, and raises suspicion of at least mild corruption regarding discipline and retention policies. IF A POLICY IS TO BE ENFORCED IT MUST BE ENFORCED EQUALLY AND JUSTLY ACROSS THE BOARD. Lax discipline policy for a newer officer with an apparent connection, with a draconian approach to veteran officers with the integrity to call to accountability possible problems with the department IS NOT CONSISTENT. LEO'S ARE EXPECTED TO BE, AND RIGHTLY SHOULD BE HELD TO THE HIGHEST STANDARDS. STANDARDS THAT ARE NOT APPROPRIATELY ENFORCED, ESPECIALLY WHEN DEPARTMENTAL AND CITY POLITICS COME INTO QUESTION, ARE NOT STANDARDS AT ALL BUT RATHER BECOME CORRUPTED TOOLS OF BLIGHTED ADMINISTRATION. Perhaps given the circumstances of recent internal cases with this department and it's civic administration, and impartial third party review of current cases for example county officials who of course have jurisdiction over municipalities within their borders is appropriate.

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armystrong 1 year, 8 months ago

Very well spoken! Excellent comment.

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Paul 1 year, 8 months ago

Let's face it. Officer Justin Self still has his job, because his Daddy is a Sergeant with Mission Ks Police Depatment and knows the Chief. Anyone else, and any other Department would have terminated the officer. Chief Martley fires senior officers for minor issues, but keeps a 21 year old Rookie who just commited a crime. It's time we find a leader here who is fair and stops with the politics.

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Paul 1 year, 8 months ago

BTW did know this happened 10/05/12 and yet we are now finding out about this...Talk about hush, hush. Shame on you Chief.

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Paul 1 year, 8 months ago

Shouldn't we have better standards for even hiring a Police Officer. I believe (as do most) that you should have at least 4 years in the Military and/or a 4 year College Degree...To hire a 21 year old with none of these is reckless and stupid...Oh wait, he is a son of another cop so common sense is out the door.

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osur351 1 year, 8 months ago

Pay someone with a 4 year degree what Basehor pays for police officers will only heap more shame on the City of Basehor!

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LR 1 year, 8 months ago

Major story here, but not on facebook page with all the other articles. Why keep it off FB? Brings up more questions...

Yes, "better standards" for both police AND city administrator (same guy for over a year, paying what he wants, doing what he wants, acting how he wants) begs the question what ELSE are they hiding besides this DUI? What we're seeing is the "iceberg effect." Only 10% is visible, hence the need for what looks like continual cover-ups.

Plus, our current mayor (and city council -- did they know, or was this kept from them, too?--but if they knew....) appears to be going along with the cover-ups. Where's the checks and balances, and where's the moral leadership?

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Paul 1 year, 8 months ago

True. You know they are treating this as a minor traffic infraction. It is not. He could have killed someone, and yet he has sworn to protect the law. Great leadership there at BPD. lol

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Ronald Grover 1 year, 8 months ago

This is all much ado about nothing.

First of all, this is a personnel matter and personnel matters are between an employee and employer. In fact personnel matters are protected discussions for executive session of council meetings and members are forbidden by law to discuss what is said in executive session.

Secondly, disciplinary action for any infraction is covered by the personnel policies in place at the time. Those policies are in place for a reason, to protect the city and the employee. These policies are in place for the protection of every citizen of the city. If someone disagrees with the policies then it should be dealt with at a council session by council members.

If policies were not followed then that is wrong.

If reactive actions are taken that could violate city employment policies as some suggest in these comments that could be setting the city up for another legal mess like the screw up dealing with former city administrator Loughry. Of course a lot of people have all the cut and dried answers but accept none of the accountability.

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armystrong 1 year, 8 months ago

Rong ( wrong wrote ) "disciplinary action for any ((( infraction ))) is covered by the personnel policies in place at the time. Those policies are in place for a reason, to protect the city and the employee. These policies are in place for the protection of every citizen of the city. " ARE YOU KIDDING ME! If the Council know about this (( DOUBTFUL )) then God help Basehor!

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ClarkKent 1 year, 8 months ago

I agree with Rong, personnel issue, move on! And seriously....4 years in the military or a 4 year college degree to work for $15 an hour? Someone needs a reality check!

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Paul 1 year, 8 months ago

Rong, at LAST you (from BPD) show yourself. You work for us (the taxpayers) Your policy's are subject for everyone to say what is fair and what isn't. You and your department are not above the law, and are held at higher standard. If you and your employee's can't handle this, move on, or better yet. Stay on so we can fire you. .Let's face it. Officer Justin Self still has his job, because his Daddy is a Sergeant with Mission Ks Police Depatment and knows the Chief. Anyone else, and any other Department would have terminated the officer. Chief Martley fires senior officers for minor issues, but keeps a 21 year old Rookie who just commited a crime. It's time we find a leader here who is fair and stops with the politics

Mr. Clark Kent. Yes, we must have mature and proven people who wear the badge and not handed out to just anyone. You MUST earn it.

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Ronald Grover 1 year, 8 months ago

Paul,

I am so glad you know it all. First of all I have NO connection to the Basehor Police Department or anyone in city government.

So, I guess you wonder why would he write about policy administration and what is allowed by council members? I am a Director of Human Resources for a local manufacturing company that also provides for the HR administration for 4 subsidiaries. I have over 25 years experience in HR administration, policy development and administration. Plus, in the past I have been an elected community official so my experience with executive session rules and laws and KOMA, (Kansas Open Meetings Act) is beyond chat over the backyard fence.

I've provided you an answer to your accusations. Now waiting for your apology and retraction.

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armystrong 1 year, 8 months ago

Rong.....I just shared your post with a buddy of mine who's a CEO & was involved with human resources also for many, many years as well. When he got done Laughing, he said this person's either lying, protecting someone, or has worked for their parents for way too long. Rong please, keep sharing your wisdom about keeping us ( the citizens & Tax payers ) in the dark, regarding City problems, unlawful actions, & concerns. The only way keeping us in the dark helps anybody is protecting the people we selected or are paying to do a job and are supposed to ACT in the best interest of the city! This is what I like to call common sense.

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Meghan 1 year, 8 months ago

Armystrong: Why do all your postings start with you belittling someone that has an opinion different than yours? Do you have short man syndrome?

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MzR 1 year, 8 months ago

"Meghan" - Name-calling labels. How does that help your cause? Turn on your open-minded critical thinking skills like Armystrong has, and then do a new posting, please.

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listentoreason 1 year, 8 months ago

Bottom line, LEO's can't have DUI convictions. Your DL is suspended for 30 days unless you ask for a hearing. For DUI conviction, he will lose his license for a month then the rest of a year can only driving to and from work, which means he could not stay employed with any credible department.

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osur351 1 year, 8 months ago

Who said Basehor is a credible department?

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LR 1 year, 8 months ago

"Infractions (at lawinfodotcom) Infractions are violations of law or ordinances that are typically pretty minor, including traffic infractions. An infraction is less serious than a misdemeanor and may not technically be considered a crime, depending on the circumstances. A person who commits an infraction will usually get a ticket or citation - not jail time or other heftier punishments..."

"Kansas DUI Law (at duidashattorneydashsearchdotcom) In the state of Kansas, driving under the influence is a criminal offense. This criminal offense will result in criminal charges being brought against you and administrative penalties that will revoke or restrict your driving privileges...

"Kansas DUI Cases In Kansas, a DUI offense must be prosecuted like any other crime...

"Administrative Driving Penalties ...A first conviction for driving under the influence is categorized as a class B misdemeanor. The penalties can include jail time, alcohol evaluation, license suspension, and fines. The offender must complete 48 hours of jail time, or, the court may sentence the offender to 100 hours of community service instead. The fines for a first offense are between $500 and $1,000 and the license suspension period is 30 days with 330 days of restrictions. Drug and alcohol evaluation is also required and you will be required to comply with any recommendations made by the evaluator...

"Juvenile DUI and Under 21 DUI in Kansas ...For 18-21 year olds, driving under the influence is also against the law. For a BAC of .02-.079, driving privileges may be suspended for 30 days for a first offense and one year for second and subsequent offenses. A blood alcohol of 0.08 or greater results in a one year suspension. The offender has ten days to request a hearing into the validity of the administrative suspension.

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LR 1 year, 8 months ago

"Diversion Program Kansas is one of the few states that allow an offender to participate in a DUI conversion program if they meet the requirements. If an offender has never been convicted of a DUI offense, has never contracted to participate in a diversion program, and the offense did not result in an accident causing injury or death, he or she may be eligible for a conversion program. This is a contract between the offender and the county where the offender gives up his or her right to a fair and speedy trial in exchange for not receiving a conviction on their record. The offender must pay a fine, stop using any alcohol or drugs, participate in alcohol and drug education or treatment, and fulfill any other required elements. If you carry out all of the requirements, your conviction will be dismissed after one year. If you do not carry out these requirements, your case will be reopened and come up for trial in the criminal court system...."

  1. The officer is 21. Was he already 21 last October when he was arrested?
  2. Nothing has been said if it's only his first offense. We're to assume that it is his first DUI.
  3. He can't be on a diversion program, as implied in the articles quotes, because it plainly says he did not waive anything, that he was arrested and his court case is continued until April 9.

Since the Chief/Acting City Administrator finally learned that identity theft and forgery is a crime, perhaps he (and maybe the mayor/city council?) needs to be taught what the Kansas laws are for a DUI case, too? Tsk, Tsk.

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osur351 1 year, 8 months ago

Is Basehor going to have to pay for the ignition interlocks on their patrol cars or will the officers have to pay for them theirselves?

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LR 1 year, 8 months ago

Question to Basehor Sentinel - Tomorrow is the court date (April 9th) on this DUI case. Are you going to be in the courtroom to get the story, first hand, on what the judge says and report on it here?

Or is this going to be treated like everything else - "we've moved on" and/or "love it or leave it"

It's nothing against the young man himself - get cleaned up and start over. It's about this and the abusive power trips and cover-ups of everything else down at City Hall. It's a revolving door of scammers and political opportunists who then become entrenched, passing the baton to their fellow-scammers. There must be consequences so that this can end in order for us to truly "move on" and "go forward."

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armystrong 1 year, 8 months ago

We all know about the police department " all obligations were met" enough said. I'll say this we have one of the BEST fire departments in Leavenworth County, in my opinion. Keep up the good work guys!!! LR, I have lived in this town a long time and one thing that city hall has always been good at is filtering what gets out, its usually only the stuff they want to get out!

Yes the young officer made a mistake, hell I think most of us did when we were his age. Being in the Army I can tell you I would have had some drastic & dire consequences not only criminally but under the UCMJ. I would have lost quite a bit and I wasn't acting as a city police officer either. He is not the only one that needs to clean up!

I wonder why we have lost three close neighbors and have five houses still for sale in the past year and a half. Our next door neighbor said and I quote, " ....... & I are sick of this council thinking we don't need to know what's going on in OUR city, and I'll be damned if I'm going to raise my family with a bunch of good ol boys running everything! " I will second that. By the way in almost a year only one of those houses sold. WAKE UP city Council!

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LR 1 year, 8 months ago

Well, here's an update - Gardner Courthouse confirmed the DUI officer's trial date was set for May 14, 2013.

We residents, who are also taxpayers paying the City Hall's salaries, have the right to be told what's going on, so we agree with the above neighbor's comment. Thanks, Basehor Sentinel, for having the courage to write about this. Too many deep, dark secrets going on down there at City Hall.

We've read that some officers elsewhere have got their DUI charges cleared because they've had training on how to work with DUIs and know how to work the system. That's why this article IS critical for the taxpayers because we also deserve to know how the Chief decides to deal with something like this here in Basehor, and the above interview is very revealing and shows a lack of ethics.

And speaking of deep, dark secrets going on down there at City Hall, what ever happened to the federal lawsuit and any OTHER questionable actions that have been withheld from us? This DUI is obviously just one small part of a bigger problem that needs to be addressed publicly by our elected officials.

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StandforSomething 1 year, 8 months ago

He who defends officers who have done wrong, as witnessed above, arrogantly and openly admits that he has created, and is currently maintaining, an EEOC Hostile Work Environment for many of the officers who have done no wrong, [other than their refusing to be assimilated into this bully entrenched work environment of what they like to call, 'good ol' boys.']

This is according to the current "invisible lawsuit" posted by the Sentinel way back last fall, with no follow-through, that nobody wants to talk about because it might prove to be an embarrassment to certain self-serving interests who have entrenched themselves into the various departments of the municipal hierarchy.

Similar to the bully in the sandbox, he admits he is nothing like the former police chief who was allegedly forced into retirement according to the many, many anecdotal stories that have been circulated in the past. And the reason he gave for his creating, and maintaining, an EEOC Hostile Work Environment against this officer? Because, in his own words quoted in that lawsuit, he didn't like it when the former chief hired the officer, which implies a control freak or power-hungry type of behavior. “I do it because I can” mentality!

Also, this same person, he who has given himself, not just multiple pay raises, but is currently practicing gluttony at the public trough by receiving two salaries in two different departments, even though he is a defendant in a lawsuit, is violating the separation of powers enumerated in the state and federal constitutions. AND it is clearly a case of a conflict of interest to have a single person receiving two full salaries when there is no way that any one person could do justice to either one of these 'careers' during an eight hour workday. Let's face it people, he is not Superman, and he should not be allowed to narcissistically, and out of sheer grandiosity, continue to pretend that he can do justice to both of these 'careers."

Yet still, the hubris that is driving this insane behavior is continuing to produce fruit like the following: He is reportedly on record as saying that he didn’t want to spend the budget money for an officer to respond to a dying child over in the Falcon Lakes area, as well as other medical situations, because of his “verbal policy of avoiding the cost of dealing with medical emergencies,” making the alleged statement that’s in the lawsuit, “What kind of morons run with lights and sirens to a dead kid?” and indicating that “…a dead child was not worth the cost associated with the response.”

If he cannot be bothered to kick in a little bit of gas money from the budget to save the life of a child in peril, maybe we citizen should organize the occasional bake sale to provide for such contingencies?

So how is it that the Basehor Sentinel doesn't deem these matters to be worthy of even minimal investigation?

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